I have not read every post of this thread. Basicly all I have to say is we have very different Bibles.
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I have not read every post of this thread. Basicly all I have to say is we have very different Bibles.This thread seems to be getting side tracked as most threads do. The original post was discussing a text that disproved the sabbath. There are no texts in the New Testament that proves the sanctity of the sabbath was moved to sunday. That was accomplished purely through traditions over a course of years after the apostles had all died. A close study of all the texts commonly used to prove it was will prove to be lifted out of context and read into the text.
The Catholic Church readily admits it was changed through tradition and claim authority to do so. The Protestant Churches that worship on sunday find themselves in the dilemma of trying to prove it through scripture which, as the Catholic church rightly states, there is no authorization for it in all of scripture.
Great response. I like your bolded emphasis.who says that because i dont follow the law written on tablets of stone that kill
that im willfully sinning?
But if i walk in the Spirit, then im not subjective to any law, for what law is there against the Spirit?
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
again, i followed the magnified law.......the one Christ talked about.....
Christ said keep my commandments.......not keep the commandments
explain please
Excellent!!!! Which one are you a pagan or a sinner. I always thought of both of them being essentially the same thing. Neither possess salvation. BTW what is someone who violates the law and specifically the 4th and 9th commandments?Jesus kept the Law of God perfectly, that is the example that He left us. Jesus did not leave us an example of disobedience. Therefore, we should be keeping the Law of God. Pagans and sinners transgress the law of God continually because they are not born again, therefore what excuse can we who know the Scriptures give as an excuse for not obeying what is so simple to understand, namely, the 10 Commandments.
who says that because i dont follow the law written on tablets of stone that kill
that im willfully sinning?
But if i walk in the Spirit, then im not subjective to any law, for what law is there against the Spirit?
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.
again, i followed the magnified law.......the one Christ talked about.....
Christ said keep my commandments.......not keep the commandments
explain please
Excellent!!!! Which one are you a pagan or a sinner. I always thought of both of them being essentially the same thing. Neither possess salvation. BTW what is someone who violates the law and specifically the 4th and 9th commandments?
bugkiller
Glad to see that you agree with my position. When you break the law, you sin. There is a difference when a genuine Christian who falls in his walk with Jesus, and then confesses and repents of his sin, as compared to someone who knows what the law says, but does not confess his sin, and refuses to obey what he or she knows what is right to do. The contrast can be found in life of Peter vs Judas. They both sinned, but Peter showed heartfelt confession of his sin, while Judas never came to that point, and killed himself, overcome by the guilt of his betrayal of the Son of God.
I have only read 2 of your posts and have only 2 things to say to you.
First I am very sorry for you to have been trapped by the SDA doctrines.
And sceond you just as well say your are SDA because promoting their doctrines and refusing to identify as as one is saying they are not a Christian religious organization. You fool no one but your self.
bugkiller
The ten commandments were given to the Jews, along with another 603. One purpose of Christ's sacrifice was to fulfill the Law for us. We are not under the law, we are under grace. You are a legalist. Christ gave us two commandments, concerning love and all fall under those. He is the Sabbath, He is our rest. Do you keep 250 Sabbath laws? I don't think so. You need to study Romans concerning the law and grace. We can't keep any of the laws, we fail and that is the point. It's A NEW COVENANANT.[TruthWave7;60769228]
Your reasoning is illogical. If as believe that you are not required to keep the 4th Commandment of the 10
then according to you....
abraham isnt saved because he didnt have the law? lol
do you read your bible? and apply logical conclusions based upon what it says?
how about noah?
you dare condemn abraham and noah?
Your reasoning is illogical. If as believe that you are not required to keep the 4th Commandment of the 10
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The ten commandments were given to the Jews, along with another 603. One purpose of Christ's sacrifice was to fulfill the Law for us. We are not under the law, we are under grace. You are a legalist. Christ gave us two commandments, concerning love and all fall under those. He is the Sabbath, He is our rest. Do you keep 250 Sabbath laws? I don't think so. You need to study Romans concerning the law and grace. We can't keep any of the laws, we fail and that is the point. It's A NEW COVENANANT.
"Behold, days are coming,” declares the Lord, “when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them,” declares the Lord. “But this is the covenant which I will make with the house of Israel after those days,” declares the Lord, “ I will put My law within them and on their heart I will write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." JER. 31:31-34
The disciples used the Law and Prophets to validate who Jesus was not to put that heavy yoke on them.
Your understanding of the 10 Commandments is illogical and dead wrong.
The 10 Commandments were written by the finger of God, while the other 603 laws were written by Moses on paper, they were transitory in nature. You need to rightly divide the word of truth, before you spout off. Why do you think that God wrote the 10 Commandments in stone with his own finger, by passing Moses? Because God wanted to make a statement they were to be laws of an enduring nature. Yet, you and so many others want to change and do away with something God inspired and wrote in stone! How arrogant and presumptious is that?!
the sabbath covenant is not what its all about
Its all about Christ...
i gave you my "lip service" yet you didnt address.......
i guess i played your little game in vain then.
When Jesus was asked what is the greatest commandment, He did not quote from the stone tablets. Instead Jesus quoted from the law of Moses and thereby said it was greater than the stone tablets according to your position. very interesting indeed.Your understanding of the 10 Commandments is illogical and dead wrong.
The 10 Commandments were written by the finger of God, while the other 603 laws were written by Moses on paper, they were transitory in nature. You need to rightly divide the word of truth, before you spout off. Why do you think that God wrote the 10 Commandments in stone with his own finger, by passing Moses? Because God wanted to make a statement they were to be laws of an enduring nature. Yet, you and so many others want to change and do away with something God inspired and wrote in stone! How arrogant and presumptious is that?!
Exactly what I thought you were doing. Thank you.It's more of a reading into the text somethng isn't there problem then a different bible problem.
When Jesus was asked what is the greatest commandment, He did not quote from the stone tablets. Instead Jesus quoted from the law of Moses and thereby said it was greater than the stone tablets according to your position. very interesting indeed.
bugkiller
So why do you deny the New Covenant? Jesus said very clrarly that it is the current covenant. Jeremiah said the New Covenant was not like the old one.It's obvious that this group seems to miss the whole point as to why any Christian would want to keep the commandments of God in every respect, including the Sabbath day.
First off, any violation or transgression against the Almighty will bring curses and wrath down upon the people. Living in and with sin doesn't mean that our punishment will be held back until or after Judgment day. We know that this earth is cursed, He told us this in Genesis.
Keeping the Sabbath will never save any soul, nor keeping any of the law to the letter. We are to keep the Spirit of the Law but He has an Order as well. What happened to the "Order" in "Law and Order"? People get confused over simple wording and phrasing as in how the Bible defines "Law". When the Bible speaks of Law it also includes the Authoritative figure who commands that law, therefore we know that there must be an Authoritative Order to the Law of God and that is God, Himself. This said, who are we to negotiate any of God's law? How dare us, we little things tell the Creator another order concerning the works of His Hands [Isa 45:11].
The Sabbath Covenant is what It's all about, dear friends. Breaking the Sabbath also breaks the Holy Covenant that was instituted in Creation so to give to His people for all generations of those obedient children who honor it in spirit as well. They used to burn witches for violations against the Church. It is better to destroy one enemy than to risk losing the entire Flock. The yeast would contaminate the loaf of dough; you know the parables, right? Well, this is what those parables mean, in case you haven't given them any consideration or thought.
The plan of Salvation does include keeping the Sabbath Holy and making other choices is your own decision. We are told not to deceive ourselves with heresies against the Truth, yet the entire world has accepted all of the things that Jesus rejected while 40 days in the wilderness. He was sustained in the Spirit during that time and the natural elements were secondary, or maybe completely absent from Jesus, so to not rely on any natural substance for enduring the space of time without any natural food and water.
Jesus hungered after the 40 days were finished, He then hungered naturally when He came down from an elevated experience in Glory with the Father in Heaven. Satan was tempting Him in thought just as he does us. If I was up there and in the Spirit, satan would try to cause me to stumble and thirst for natural waters.
The Covenant is a contract, a simple but Mighty one, if we obey Him and call Him our God, He will lift us up on High in Spirit even while in the flesh. This is where we must differentiate between flesh and spirit, we cannot please God by merely keeping the law or a specific day of the week but we must keep every detail as to what the Law dictates. Law assigns permissions and restrictions, so stop looking at it as all restrictions. I'd rather be bound to Ten laws than thousands of mans.
The choice is your's. Choose wisely!
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