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With all the bashing of the Blessed Mother by many Protestants
Your using the English, in the original language that did not mean brother as modern America thinks it does. f you really want to study the Bible and honor the Scripture than study the Greek and learn the culture don't just do silly Sola Scriptua nonsenseHave we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas? - 1 Cor 9:5
The bible simply speaks that Christ had brethren. I do not think that we are bashing the Mother Mary by saying she had children after the Lord Jesus...
1. She was a virgin at Christ's birth
2. Her children are mentioned in scripture
3. Her son James was also an apostle
4. Her and Joseph raised their family scripturally
5. She was with Christ at the end
6. She was taken in by Apostle John
7. I doubt not that she died a saint
So Mary lead a productive life for the kingdom of God and I think she rose a prominent position in the after life.
Your using the English, in the original language that did not mean brother as modern America thinks it does. f you really want to study the Bible and honor the Scripture than study the Greek and learn the culture don't just do silly Sola Scriptua nonsense
Your using the English, in the original language that did not mean brother as modern America thinks it does. f you really want to study the Bible and honor the Scripture than study the Greek and learn the culture don't just do silly Sola Scriptua nonsense
I think the problem is more lack of an authority.
There is no word for cousin in Aramaic or ancient Hebrew. So....without guidance in the translation, error abounds.
What difference would it be if there were no word for cousin in Hebrew or Aramaic? The NT was written in Koine Greek.
Your using the English, in the original language that did not mean brother as modern America thinks it does. f you really want to study the Bible and honor the Scripture than study the Greek and learn the culture don't just do silly Sola Scriptua nonsense
I think the problem is more lack of an authority.
There is no word for cousin in Aramaic or ancient Hebrew. So....without guidance in the translation, error abounds.
You can't be serious
Apparently Saint Jerome and every other Catholic translator of the New Testament was serious, because they all used the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament for translation. All known Hebrew and Aramaic manuscripts significantly postdate the oldest and best Greek manuscripts.
I agree Jerome was quite serious. What does that have to do with the issue at hand? The question is the translation into Greek from the oral stories....not from Greek to Latin
Acts 1:14 All these were persevering with one mind in prayer with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
1:15 In those days Peter rising up in the midst of the brethren, said (now the number of persons together was about an hundred and twenty):
So Jesus has 120 brother....wow!!!!!!
The fact of the matter is that the manuscripts of the New Testament were written in Greek, not Hebrew or Aramaic.
Yes.. Fulton Sheen is a personal favorite. Protestant used to honor Mary. What happened?
I was thinking how Martin Luther (perhaps the biggest heretic of all time) spoke of Mary. This make crystal clear the errors of SS. Given enough time, absence of a Magesterium propels one deeper into heresy. I wonder how many SS protestants would speak of Mary like this.......
"(She is the) highest woman and the noblest gem in Christianity after Christ She is nobility, wisdom, and holiness personified. We can never honor her enough. Still, honor and praise must be given to her in such a way as to hurt neither Christ nor the scriptures." (Sermon, Christmas, 1531)
"It is the consolation and the superabundant goodness of God, that humanity is able to exult in such a treasure. Mary is its true Mother " (Sermon, Christmas, 1529)
"Mary is the Mother of Jesus and the Mother of all of us, even though it was Christ alone who reposed on her knees If he is ours, we ought to be in his situation; there where he is we ought also to be, and all that he has ought also to be ours, and his mother is also our mother." (Sermon, Christmas 1529)
"People have crowded all her glory into a single phrase: The Mother of God. No one can say anything greater of her, though he had as many tongues as there are leaves on the tress." (From the Commentary of the Magnificat)
"God did not receive his divinity from Mary, but it does not follow that it is therefore wrong to say that God was born of Mary, that God is Marys Son, and that Mary is Gods mother. She is the true mother of God and bearer of God. Mary suckled God, rocked God to sleep, prepared broth and soup for God, etc. For God and man are one person, one Christ, one Son, one Jesus, not two Christs just as your son is not 2 sons even though he has two natures, body and soul, the body from you, the soul from God alone." (On the Councils of the Church, 1539)
Luther believed in Marys perpetual virginity and in her Immaculate Conception. Only the latter he didnt think should be a dogma that people are obliged to believe.
"It is a sweet and pious belief that the infusion of Marys soul was effected without original sin; so that in the very infusion of her soul she was also purified from original sin and adorned with Gods gifts, receiving a pure soul, infused by God; thus from the first moment she began to live she was free from all sin." (Sermon, "On the Day of the Conception of the Mother of God", 1527)
" she is full of grace, proclaimed to be entirely without sin Gods grace fills her with everything good and makes her devoid of all evil God is with her, meaning that all she did or left undone is divine and the action of God in her." (Luthers Works, ed. H. Lehmann, Fortress Press, 1968, vol. 43, p.40)
"We can use the Hail Mary as a meditation in which we recite what grace God has given her. Second, we should add a wish that everyone may know and respect her." (Personal Prayer Book, 1522)
Josiah said:
1. Document your dogmatic statement of Martin Luther, "greatest heretic of all time." Since you made this bold, divisive, flaming, personal statement - you'd better clearly document it. I'll wait for that.
2. Document how these opinions violate the practice of using Scripture as the rule in the norming of disputed doctrines among us (the practice known as "Sola Scriptura").
3. Since Luther was, you dogmatically insist, "the greatest heretic of all time" why does your supposed quoting of HIM support these ideas about Mary?
4, Since you likely believe that Luther was a Protestant, you seem to be proving your fellow Catholics WRONG in terms of what Protestants believe. I wonder why you don't correct them?
5. Luther held NONE of these views as doctrine, but embraced them as PIOUS OPINION and matters of personal spirituality. Many Protestants still do. The "issue" with Catholicism often centers in the STATUS - as theological DOGMA (1870, 1904, 1950) rather than as pious opinion and/or personal spirituality.
6. We have a whole thread about how all Protestants specifically HATE Mary. How does your post confirm that? And if you don't agree, why haven't you clearly denounced that thread? In stating such, is that promoting good vibes that you suggest we should?
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And I said in my post on that thread I don't think any protestants hate Mary...go read it.
The point here is that the phenomenon of Protestantism continues on a path that leads it deeper into heresy. I used Luther as an example to show where Protestantism began with regards to beliefs about Mary. Anyone can compare Luther's beliefs and Modern day protestants. ...there is a huge difference. And we can go on and on about other faith issues...but that is another thread.
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