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Vegetarians 'have lower heart risk'

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“Veggie [FONT=inherit ! important][FONT=inherit ! important]diet[/FONT][/FONT] cuts heart attack risk by a third,” according to the Daily Express, which today reported that vegetarians are a third less likely to suffer heart problems, diabetes or stroke than meat eaters." More here: http://www.hartlepoolmail.co.uk/lifestyle/health/vegetarians_have_lower_heart_risk_1_3296211

I wonder why God didn't advocate a vegetarian diet to the Israelites or the early Christians in the Bible if it is so beneficial. Matter of fact he demanded the Israelites eat meat. (passover, priests eating sacrifices, etc.) Jesus ate fish after His resurrection. Meat eating is prevalent throughout the Bible.
 
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I wonder why God didn't advocate a vegetarian diet to the Israelites or the early Christians in the Bible if it is so beneficial. Matter of fact he demanded the Israelites eat meat. (passover, priests eating sacrifices, etc.) Jesus ate fish after His resurrection. Meat eating is prevalent throughout the Bible.

Jesus filled two boats with fish once to the point that they almost sank.
 
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God more than advocated vegeterianism, that was the plan for us.

In the beginning, God said,

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So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.



And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
Gen. 1:27-30

Even the animals were vegeterians as per Gen. 1:30 - every animal ate vegetables or herbs/grain/root/etc.



Enter sin, and the flood. Even up until the flood, it was best that everyone (especially God's people) were vegetarians. Since God is a God of life, what sense would it make for His people to kill other life in order to live? Plants produce energy and nutrients for everyone without dying.

After the flood, God allowed us to eat meat, but even then it still had to be certain meat (clean food, see Leviticus 11.)

And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.


Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.


But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.


And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man.
Genesis 9:1-5

Of course, we humans don't think for ourselves, or we want to completely do our own thing. Eventually, we started going crazy on animals we were eating (lions, elephant, toads, snakes, etc.) that God had to teach us what animals to eat, and why we should do so in Leviticus 11 (I won't quote the whole chapter.)

My point is that vegetarianism much healthier than eating meat, and God knows what He is doing when He tells us what to and not to eat. In other words, His law isn't void. Christ and the miracle of the fish does not mean He was against vegeterianism. Firstly, He knows what fish would be clean to eat. Secondly, He wasn't going to play the "holier than thou" card and not eat the fish (even though He is the only person that is holier than us.) It was a party, and He respectfully kept it going.

Vegetarian diets raise your body pH. When you have an alkaline pH, you fight off cancers, disease and infection much more efficiently. Microbes cannot live in basic environments. We were always meant to be clean, eating first-rate energy(plants get energy from the sun.) Eating meat of a clean animal is eating digested energy, so that is second-rate energy. Eating unclean meat is eating the meat of an animal that has eaten something that contains first (or second rate) energy. So, you are barely getting nutrients by eating unclean things. Who would have thought God's law are scientific in nature?...
 
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God more than advocated vegeterianism, that was the plan for us.

In the beginning, God said,

" Gen. 1:27-30

Even the animals were vegeterians as per Gen. 1:30 - every animal ate vegetables or herbs/grain/root/etc.



Enter sin, and the flood. Even up until the flood, it was best that everyone (especially God's people) were vegetarians. Since God is a God of life, what sense would it make for His people to kill other life in order to live? Plants produce energy and nutrients for everyone without dying.

After the flood, God allowed us to eat meat, but even then it still had to be certain meat (clean food, see Leviticus 11.)

Genesis 9:1-5

Of course, we humans don't think for ourselves, or we want to completely do our own thing. Eventually, we started going crazy on animals we were eating (lions, elephant, toads, snakes, etc.) that God had to teach us what animals to eat, and why we should do so in Leviticus 11 (I won't quote the whole chapter.)

My point is that vegetarianism much healthier than eating meat, and God knows what He is doing when He tells us what to and not to eat. In other words, His law isn't void. Christ and the miracle of the fish does not mean He was against vegeterianism. Firstly, He knows what fish would be clean to eat. Secondly, He wasn't going to play the "holier than thou" card and not eat the fish (even though He is the only person that is holier than us.) It was a party, and He respectfully kept it going.

Vegetarian diets raise your body pH. When you have an alkaline pH, you fight off cancers, disease and infection much more efficiently. Microbes cannot live in basic environments. We were always meant to be clean, eating first-rate energy(plants get energy from the sun.) Eating meat of a clean animal is eating digested energy, so that is second-rate energy. Eating unclean meat is eating the meat of an animal that has eaten something that contains first (or second rate) energy. So, you are barely getting nutrients by eating unclean things. Who would have thought God's law are scientific in nature?...

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a vegetarian. The problem is when people force vegetarianism as a means to holiness or say you're more acceptable to God as a vegetarian. I believe being a vegetarian is more healthy than being a meat eater and the animals are happier too.
 
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There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a vegetarian. The problem is when people force vegetarianism as a means to holiness or say you're more acceptable to God as a vegetarian. I believe being a vegetarian is more healthy than being a meat eater and the animals are happier too.

I agree with that too. I don't think vegetarianism should be its own "faith," so to speak, but it is an important part of well-being, and thus, Christianity/life.


I personally go off and on eating meat and being vegetarian. I don't like meat, really I don't like masticating anything (too much work in my opinion :p), but fish, chicken, lamb, and other lean red meats can be very beneficial also, especially as a supplement to a high-grain, high-vegetable diet.


I am also inclined to believe we were allowed to eat meat because the flood may have changed our DNA, and some people needed to eat meat because, say, their blood type couldn't make enough proteins from vegetables alone.
 
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This may all be well and good, NNSV(BTW, Hello, I don't remember chatting with you before!), however, that still doesn't negate the fact that God subsequently gave Noah and meat diet(for obvious reasons, but never retracted it), gave the COI a meat diet and made meat an intergral part of their worship ceremonies, days, feats, and sacrifices. To top it off that Jesus himself came down and ate meat, not just fish meat, because we know that he kept all of the statues He insititued with the Jews until they were fulfilled by his own death.

IOW, God have plenty of time and opportunity to reinstitute the vegan diet if He cared to do so, He didn't. So why are you all bummin'? LOL!!! Sorry. Ahem! Plainly it was not that important to God, so it is NOT of savific value to Him and we loose credibility when we infer that it is. Just say it is healthier. For most it probably is, that is a more reasonable argument.




God more than advocated vegeterianism, that was the plan for us.

In the beginning, God said,

" Gen. 1:27-30

Even the animals were vegeterians as per Gen. 1:30 - every animal ate vegetables or herbs/grain/root/etc.



Enter sin, and the flood. Even up until the flood, it was best that everyone (especially God's people) were vegetarians. Since God is a God of life, what sense would it make for His people to kill other life in order to live? Plants produce energy and nutrients for everyone without dying.

After the flood, God allowed us to eat meat, but even then it still had to be certain meat (clean food, see Leviticus 11.)

Genesis 9:1-5

Of course, we humans don't think for ourselves, or we want to completely do our own thing. Eventually, we started going crazy on animals we were eating (lions, elephant, toads, snakes, etc.) that God had to teach us what animals to eat, and why we should do so in Leviticus 11 (I won't quote the whole chapter.)

My point is that vegetarianism much healthier than eating meat, and God knows what He is doing when He tells us what to and not to eat. In other words, His law isn't void. Christ and the miracle of the fish does not mean He was against vegeterianism. Firstly, He knows what fish would be clean to eat. Secondly, He wasn't going to play the "holier than thou" card and not eat the fish (even though He is the only person that is holier than us.) It was a party, and He respectfully kept it going.

Vegetarian diets raise your body pH. When you have an alkaline pH, you fight off cancers, disease and infection much more efficiently. Microbes cannot live in basic environments. We were always meant to be clean, eating first-rate energy(plants get energy from the sun.) Eating meat of a clean animal is eating digested energy, so that is second-rate energy. Eating unclean meat is eating the meat of an animal that has eaten something that contains first (or second rate) energy. So, you are barely getting nutrients by eating unclean things. Who would have thought God's law are scientific in nature?...
 
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This may all be well and good, NNSV(BTW, Hello, I don't remember chatting with you before!), however, that still doesn't negate the fact that God subsequently gave Noah and meat diet(for obvious reasons, but never retracted it), gave the COI a meat diet and made meat an intergral part of their worship ceremonies, days, feats, and sacrifices. To top it off that Jesus himself came down and ate meat, not just fish meat, because we know that he kept all of the statues He insititued with the Jews until they were fulfilled by his own death.

IOW, God have plenty of time and opportunity to reinstitute the vegan diet if He cared to do so, He didn't. So why are you all bummin'? LOL!!! Sorry. Ahem! Plainly it was not that important to God, so it is NOT of savific value to Him and we loose credibility when we infer that it is. Just say it is healthier. For most it probably is, that is a more reasonable argument.

Hi Princessdi,

I agree that God allowed us to eat certain meats (as outlined in Leviticus 11,) and that Christ may have eaten clean meat according to Leviticus 11, but what I am saying is now science, if it need to, vindicates vegetarianism. It is scientific fact that a vegetarian diet is healthier than carnivorous or even omnivorous diets.

This is, as I was saying, because God knew what He was talking about when He told us to only eat herbs. We were supposed to live forever.


I am not saying meat eaters are hell-worthy lol... just saying maybe we should listen to God instead of saying this or that law is not applicable. And, maybe we should have faith that His word lives forever, rather than letting science vindicate Him in the distant future.



It is still important to God - all of His law is. However, He knows what is going on down here. Why institute veganism when no one believes you should do it in the first place? It isn't that He doesn't care, so much as it is almost futile to get us to follow Him lol...

In fact, it would be futile to get us to follow Him if it wasn't for Christ...


Anyway, it is us that says "this law is not important anymore." It is us that nullifies God's law. He has always cared.
 
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NNSV, I like your Spirit. Ok but while you are talking aobut listening to God, listen to all he had to say. What He said later was not anyless valid than His word in Genesis.

I say thism because when we infer that His word is less valid when He gave the meat diet, then we also infer that He didn't plan for all the options given to man through free will. We are also at a loss to explain why jesus, Himself, came down to earth to partake of the diet if He life was our perfect example of how to live.


Hi Princessdi,

I agree that God allowed us to eat certain meats (as outlined in Leviticus 11,) and that Christ may have eaten clean meat according to Leviticus 11, but what I am saying is now science, if it need to, vindicates vegetarianism. It is scientific fact that a vegetarian diet is healthier than carnivorous or even omnivorous diets.

This is, as I was saying, because God knew what He was talking about when He told us to only eat herbs. We were supposed to live forever.


I am not saying meat eaters are hell-worthy lol... just saying maybe we should listen to God instead of saying this or that law is not applicable. And, maybe we should have faith that His word lives forever, rather than letting science vindicate Him.
 
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NNSV, I like your Spirit. Ok but while you are talking aobut listening to God, listen to all he had to say. What He said later was not anyless valid than His word in Genesis.

I say thism because when we infer that His word is less valid when He gave the meat diet, then we also infer that He didn't plan for all the options given to man through free will. We are also at a loss to explain why jesus, Himself, came down to earth to partake of the diet if He life was our perfect example of how to live.

I think it's paradoxical; just like God.

I think we were supposed to eat vegetables only (herbs, etc.)


HOWEVER


I also think God's word of revision ad meat is perfect also, because we do not know the consequences of the flood (and its affect on our DNA, behavior, metabolism, bodily systems, etc.)

So, I think we are paradoxically supposed to be vegetarianism, but God's perfect word allows for meat diet also (according to Leviticus 11 etc.)


I think we represent both sides of the paradox :wave:
 
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Will there be meat eating in heaven? The answer is, no. Why is that? Is it because of diet or is it because there will be no more death?

Did you ever think that maybe the menu in the garden of Eden was plant based not because of health reasons, but rather, because there was no death there either?

I think it's awesome that we teach lessons on health and diet but it should be something to help people to experience the abundant life and not something the world is led to believe is a requirement to be SDA.
 
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> Matter of fact he demanded the Israelites eat meat. (passover,

Once a year vs once a day--big difference.

So it's OK to eat meat once in a while?

Weren't priests supposed to eat what was sacrificed sometimes? Didn't God provide quail for the Israelites to eat? (even though they made pigs of themselves). There are probably other examples but the point will likely be lost anyway.
 
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Will there be meat eating in heaven? The answer is, no. Why is that? Is it because of diet or is it because there will be no more death?

Did you ever think that maybe the menu in the garden of Eden was plant based not because of health reasons, but rather, because there was no death there either?

I think it's awesome that we teach lessons on health and diet but it should be something to help people to experience the abundant life and not something the world is led to believe is a requirement to be SDA.

I agree that sin changed the dynamic of the relationship we have with the rest of creation... the sacrificing of the innocent, blameless lamb was to bring man into a feeling of shame for what their sin had caused, to make them reflect on the price of sin that now must be paid for with death. Symbolically, the lambs, ultimately ours and through redemptive love, Christs.

Of course we won't be eating flesh in the garden, the new earth. Is abstaining from eating flesh here and now a good thing, yes, no doubt about it. Is it something that will prevent us from entering the kingdom, I don't believe so. I make that statement with a caveat as I have not yet been convicted of it. If I am, then it will become a relationship blocker (sin) to me and I will have to overcome it by the Holy Spirit. As we ask for a deeper refining of our hearts, it will come down to the finer points of the spirit of the Law of Love.
 
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Back then the fish were different, they weren't really meat. If you do some research you will find that the fish back then were tofu.
Yayy!! My type of fish, tofu is better than fish its much easier to catch.
I have often wondered if Jesus was influenced by the Essenes. They would have eaten tofu fish.


My only thing now is eliminating leather products.

tofu leather would be handy, or at least Soybean suede.
 
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>Didn't God provide quail for the Israelites to eat? (even though they made pigs of themselves).

And the result was?

>There are probably other examples but the point will likely be lost anyway.

Exactly.
You keep ignoring the priests.:)

Would God give the Israelites something that He didn't approve of (quail)?
 
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