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Vatican releases "Luvenescit Ecclesia" on the relationship between hierarchical and charismatic...

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This is a text I'm eager to read, since I study with the religious but I'm closer to the hierarchical diocesan Church.
Me too!

When I shared with my mom recently about manifesting the gift of tongues she looked at me like I had two heads. Lol.

She said 'catholics don't do that'.

Yes mom. Catholics do manifest the gifts of the Holy Spirit and they are awesome gifts!

I told her I would get some info for her to read. This is perfect timing for me.

God is so great!

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Definitely interested in having a more complete (read: Catholic) understanding of all of this. I've only had bad experiences with protestant charismatics so I tend to tighten up when anyone drops the word 'charismatic'.
 
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Definitely interested in having a more complete (read: Catholic) understanding of all of this. I've only had bad experiences with protestant charismatics so I tend to tighten up when anyone drops the word 'charismatic'.
You'll get past that Darth. You were exposed to a very twisted version. The Catholic experience is much different.
 
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What we seen was abuse and misunderstanding of the gifts God gives us. It happens a lot. Sadly. Seems to be a form of spiritual and emotional abuse imo.
I believe that to be true. :)
 
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Vatican tells bishops and new lay movements to play nice.

In a new document from the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Vatican says new lay movements in the Catholic Church are a 'great resource' but insists they must accept the authority of the hierarchy, and warns that getting official recognition may take awhile.

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https://cruxnow.com/vatican/2016/06/14/vatican-asks-bishops-new-movements-accept/
 
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What we seen was abuse and misunderstanding of the gifts God gives us. It happens a lot. Sadly. Seems to be a form of spiritual and emotional abuse imo.

It absolutely is. Lord knows I trusted the wrong people in that charismatic movement and got burned for it.
 
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It can really mess you up. It takes time to heal. We have a hierarchy now though. :)
It absolutely is. Lord knows I trusted the wrong people in that charismatic movement and got burned for it.
 
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I read through the document. While it basically calls for the recognizing of movements within the Church (as they are gifts inspired by the Holy Spirit), it also calls those movements to recognize the hierarchy of the Church and the authority of the bishops (which is something that is often disregarded). It gives some criteria to recognize if a movement is truly a charismatic gift (not to be confused with the Charismatic Catholic Renewal), mainly:

1) It calls Christians to holiness.
2) It is committed to spread the Gospel.
3) It educates in the faith and obeys the Magisterium.
4) It shows a real communion with the Church.
5) It is open to the complementarity of other charismatic elements in the Church (it cooperates and doesn't promote sectarism).
6) It accepts trials, sufferings, tensions... in essence, the cross.
7) There is a presence of spiritual fruits within the movement.
8) It's evangelization has also a social dimension.

Although this is mainly aimed at new movements flourishing in the Church, especially the ad experimentum movements approved in each diocese, I could as well relate it to religious congregations and orders that sometime act turning their backs on the hierarchy. Of course, just as a Jesuit priest who happens to be one of my teachers says, "hierarchy in the Church is not set to stop the movements of the Holy Spirit, but to discern and approve them, so it doesn't exist to stop the initiative of the different gifts within the Church, but to guide them under the umbrella of a Church that is One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic."

The document is also in direct relationship to what the Pope recently said about the erection of new diocesan institutes of consecrated life. In the end, it seems a matter of order and unity in the Church.
 
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What we seen was abuse and misunderstanding of the gifts God gives us. It happens a lot. Sadly. Seems to be a form of spiritual and emotional abuse imo.
I'm curious to know what kinds of abuse you guys witnessed.

Andres... your synopsis is bang on.

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We were both outside the Church at the time.
I'm curious to know what kinds of abuse you guys witnessed.

Andres... your synopsis is bang on.

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We were both outside the Church at the time.
Oh. I see. Thanks Michie. The charismatic group at our Parish are very dedicated and submit to the authority of our Bishop. Any prophetic words proclaimed are approved. Or any charismatic 'events' are all approved. We are very blessed here. Thanks be to God!

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Yeah our experiences were before we became Catholic. We are very blessed to have the hierarchy looking out for us now.
Oh. I see. Thanks Michie. The charismatic group at our Parish are very dedicated and submit to the authority of our Bishop. Any prophetic words proclaimed are approved. Or any charismatic 'events' are all approved. We are very blessed here. Thanks be to God!

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