Vatican Excommunicates Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò for Schism

[Michie]

The ruling comes after Archbishop Viganò defied a Vatican summons to appear before the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith to face charges of schism last week.

The Vatican has officially excommunicated Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith announced Friday.

Archbishop Viganò was found guilty of the canonical crime, or delict, of schism, or the refusal to submit to the Pope or the communion of the Church, at the conclusion of the Vatican’s extrajudicial penal process on July 4.

The Vatican’s doctrine office announced the“latae sententiae” excommunication (automatic excommunication) on July 5, citing Archbishop Viganò’s “public statements manifesting his refusal to recognize and submit to the Supreme Pontiff, his rejection of communion with the members of the Church subject to him, and of the legitimacy and magisterial authority of the Second Vatican Council.”

The former papal nuncio to the United States is now excommunicated, the most serious penalty a baptized person can incur, which consists of being placed outside the communion of the faithful of the Catholic Church and denied access to the sacraments.

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Vatican Excommunicates Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò for Schism

The ruling comes after Archbishop Viganò defied a Vatican summons to appear before the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith to face charges of schism last week.

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[Michie]

Vatican excommunicates Archbishop Viganò, found guilty of schism

Members of the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith met July 4 to complete an extrajudicial penal process against Archbishop Viganò, who was accused of "the reserved delict of schism," the dicastery announced in a press release July 5.

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[Michie]

Archbishop Viganò excommunicated

Former nuncio to the U.S. is found guilty of the canonical crime of schism.

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[Gnarwhal]

I think this was the right call. He started off in a good place with the McCarrick stuff but he somehow kept going and just progressively unraveled as he went. The political grandstanding and then the claims and accusations against the Holy Father. I mean, I'm not Pope Francis' biggest fan but Vigano went way too far. Maybe history will prove him right, but Popes can only be judged as antipopes by history not by the present.

Some of Viganos comments made me wonder about his mental health because they echoed conspiracy theories that my extremely unstable ex-mother-in-law would talk about all the time. Especially, IIRC, in a letter he wrote back in 2020 about Trump.

 

[chevyontheriver]

The ruling comes after Archbishop Viganò defied a Vatican summons to appear before the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith to face charges of schism last week.

The Vatican has officially excommunicated Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò, the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith announced Friday.

Archbishop Viganò was found guilty of the canonical crime, or delict, of schism, or the refusal to submit to the Pope or the communion of the Church, at the conclusion of the Vatican’s extrajudicial penal process on July 4.

The Vatican’s doctrine office announced the“latae sententiae” excommunication (automatic excommunication) on July 5, citing Archbishop Viganò’s “public statements manifesting his refusal to recognize and submit to the Supreme Pontiff, his rejection of communion with the members of the Church subject to him, and of the legitimacy and magisterial authority of the Second Vatican Council.”

The former papal nuncio to the United States is now excommunicated, the most serious penalty a baptized person can incur, which consists of being placed outside the communion of the faithful of the Catholic Church and denied access to the sacraments.

Continued below.

Vatican Excommunicates Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò for Schism

The ruling comes after Archbishop Viganò defied a Vatican summons to appear before the Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith to face charges of schism last week.

www.ncregister.com

They sure do know how to come down hard and fast on people they don’t like.

Vigano went off the deep end but he is a far more sympathetic fellow, a tragic hero, compared to his persecutors. And now I expect him to line up maybe with the Russian Orthodox if they will have him. Will he get rebaptized?

 

[Gnarwhal]

They sure do know how to come down hard and fast on people they don’t like.

Vigano went off the deep end but he is a far more sympathetic fellow, a tragic hero, compared to his persecutors. And now I expect him to line up maybe with the Russian Orthodox if they will have him. Will he get rebaptized?

Yep, they definitely know how to do it. It's just rarely, if ever, on the right people.

I would think Vigano would align with the SSPV or something since he is a pretty passionate defender of the Latin Mass, seems like it'd be hard for him to pivot to an Eastern Rite. But with the SSPV they would probably welcome a cardinal.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Yep, they definitely know how to do it. It's just rarely, if ever, on the right people.

I would think Vigano would align with the SSPV or something since he is a pretty passionate defender of the Latin Mass, seems like it'd be hard for him to pivot to an Eastern Rite. But with the SSPV they would probably welcome a cardinal.

He’s only an archbishop. He ruined his cardinal chances by complaining about how Francis handled McCarrick. SSPV might be logical for him.

 

[Gnarwhal]

He’s only an archbishop. He ruined his cardinal chances by complaining about how Francis handled McCarrick. SSPV might be logical for him.

I forgot about that.

 

[Chrystal-J]

Yet Fr. James Martin is allowed free reign.

 

[Gnarwhal]

Yet Fr. James Martin is allowed free reign.

Indeed, justice is not balanced in the Vatican at all. Martin, the German bishops all those guys should be in the same boat.

 

[Michie]

It’s not about the teachings of the Church obviously. Otherwise those others would be gone. He called out the pope about allowing the things that contradict Church teaching that’s what it’s about. Vigano slowly but surely going off the rails did not help either.

 

[RileyG]

Praying he repents. God bless him.

 

[RileyG]

They sure do know how to come down hard and fast on people they don’t like.

Vigano went off the deep end but he is a far more sympathetic fellow, a tragic hero, compared to his persecutors. And now I expect him to line up maybe with the Russian Orthodox if they will have him. Will he get rebaptized?

What about SSPX? Since they are irregular, but still recognize the Pope? SSPV is sedevactantist.

 

[chevyontheriver]

What about SSPX? Since they are irregular, but still recognize the Pope? SSPV is sedevactantist.

I don't know what draws Vigano now. The SSPX is irregular but not in actual schism. The SSPV is full schismatic.

One of the four bishops of the SSPX was bishop Williamson, a Holocaust denier and all around odd fellow. So odd the SSPX had to kick him out. Archbishop Vigano apparently had bishop Williamson re-ordain him. (Maybe instead of saying 'archbishop Vigano' we should call him illicitly ordained Fr. Vigano now?) I don't know if Williamson has been able to find a home or if he has gone full individualist. He ain't no tragic hero in my book. Just a fruit of a different flavor.

My guess is Vigano is too far gone for even the SSPX. He does appear to consider the Moscow Patriarchate (Putin's Church) valid but not the Constantinople Patriarchate or the Roman Patriarchate.

He did something vital by bringing out information he knew firsthand about cardinal McCarrick and pope Francis bringing him out of retirement to be a negotiator with China, helping to establish Vatican-China (disasterous) policy. But after that he seemed to slowly slide into the deep end of craziness. I get why. It's tempting to get disgusted with this pope. I feel like I've slid that way too. Which is why I consider him a tragic hero. A hero with a flaw that undoes him. Prayers for him.

 

[joymercy]

If he had to be reconsecrated, because he never truly believed he was a bishop, then what about all of the people who ever received Holy Communion from him before being reconsecrated?

Were his hands not consecrated, so he never made the real presence, and therefore all the people were receiving the host invalidly?

What about weddings, funerals and marriages, as well as anointing of the sick?

 

[joymercy]

ps-remember Padre Pio was severely punished, but remained obedient

 

[Michie]

If he had to be reconsecrated, because he never truly believed he was a bishop, then what about all of the people who ever received Holy Communion from him before being reconsecrated?

Were his hands not consecrated, so he never made the real presence, and therefore all the people were receiving the host invalidly?

What about weddings, funerals and marriages, as well as anointing of the sick?

The acts he performed as a priest/bishop do not lose their validity because he has been excommunicated now. It all still stands.

 

[joymercy]

@Michie thanks for your response.

I was wondering if Vigano thinks this.

If he truly believes that he was not a bishop, then wouldn't he have to re-do all of those sacraments, in his own opinion?

 

[chevyontheriver]

The acts he performed as a priest/bishop do not lose their validity because he has been excommunicated now. It all still stands.

Yup. He was validly ordained even if he lost confidence in that original ordination.

 

[chevyontheriver]

@Michie thanks for your response.

I was wondering if Vigano thinks this.

If he truly believes that he was not a bishop, then wouldn't he have to re-do all of those sacraments, in his own opinion?

And apologize profusely to those who got what he would now have to call fake sacraments?