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I think the longer life spans within the first couple thousands years had more to do with genetics rather than environment. No amount of control of harmful effects or perfect diet is going to help someone to live over 200 years, much less 900.
Mutations that result in multiple characters being changed are well known and are often regarded as ubiquitous
The transition originates from suppression of mutations to the optimal or near-optimal genotypes
mutations are unbiased in the sense that mutations that tend to increase the value of a particular phenotypic character have the same frequency and average magnitude as mutations that tend to decrease the value of the trait.
each mutation has a negative effect on many traits that control fitness. Cumulatively, these effects are always fatal
mhess13 said:This creationist forum is a joke. TEs should not be allowed to post here PERIOD
I don't even go in their little forum to look, why would I, it's their place. YECs should only be able to post in this forum IMHO. I mean what is the point of even having this subforum????????????????????????
Quite simply, I am YEC because every other creation theory besides YEC places death before sin. This goes against everything the Bible teaches.mark kennedy said:Don't pay them no mind, the purpose of this fourm is for us to be able to exchange ideas without having to worry about these silly rants by evolutionists. The best way to deal with these unwelcome posts is to have them deleted and focus on creation science. So tell me mhess13, why do you embrace YEC origin theology even though it is so unpopular?
Grace and peace,
Mark
Evolution is not compatible with the Bible.
There could not have been millions of years of death before sin.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
MAN introduced death into the world because of sin
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
If evolution is true, slow gradual changes over millions of years of death brought man into the world. The Bible and evolution are teaching 2 different things. Note that the Bible calls death an enemy.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
When reading 1COR15 you can clearly see that PHYSICAL death is being discussed and it is described as an enemy that Christ has defeated through his resurrection. PRAISE HIM!
So then you cannot have death in the world (as evolution teaches) millions of years before Adam's sin. BOTH EVOLUTION AND THE BIBLE CANNOT BE TRUE-they teach different things!
Rom 8:18-19 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us. For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Because of death and sin the whole creation is futile according to the Bible.
Rom 8:20-22 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
But we know that during the Millennial Reign of Christ Or if you are an amillennialist during the new heavens and the new earth; the creation will be restored. DEATH because of sin is what wrecked the creation.
So what does the theistic evolutionist propose? They will say that plants died before the fall of man. But plants are not alive in a Biblical sense. They are a self replicating food source. The haven't got the breath of life and they have no blood. Plants are never spoken of as dying in scripture. They fade and wither, but never die in the sense as humans and animals. All animals and man were vegetarians in the Garden, humans were not to eat meat until after the flood. This further proves that death was not part of God's original creation, but was an enemy, an intruder, brought in by sin.
Furthermore, insects may not even be alive in a biblical sense-I don't know. That's a good topic to study up on.
What theistic evolutionists are really saying is that sickness, disease, death and suffering were here long before sin. What does this make God? How can we explain cancer, gout, heart disease? With the theistic evolution model and logic, this suffering and sickness was part of God's very good creation. Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden standing on top of thousands of fossils buried in the dirt. Adam and Eve were both destined to die physically even prior to their spiritual separation from God. Is this what the Bible teaches?
However, when we believe that death and sickness were brought on because of sin, a light clicks. It makes sense that God is good and didn't create us to be sick and die. The effects of the Fall were enormous! We begin to see sin as it is. We see the ugliness and destructive nature of disobedience to God. We then have hope of the glorious resurrection and the restoration of all things through the atonement of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
THEISTIC evolution seriously downplays the fall of man. Without a clear understanding of how huge the Fall was, how can we fully grasp the work of the atonement? Evolution wars against the plan of salvation.
This is not a YEC forum FYI.mhess13 said:This creationist forum is a joke. TEs should not be allowed to post here PERIOD
I don't even go in their little forum to look, why would I, it's their place. YECs should only be able to post in this forum IMHO. I mean what is the point of even having this subforum????????????????????????
OH REALLY???????? DUH! I think my point is THAT IT SHOULD BE. Otherwise, what is the point! jeez.......Buachaille said:This is not a YEC forum FYI.
Well because YEC are just one branch of Creationism, editedmhess13 said:OH REALLY???????? DUH! I think my point is THAT IT SHOULD BE. Otherwise, what is the point! jeez.......
TE don't fall into the creation catagory though and that's why I believe he doesn't want them posting here at all. edited to remove reference to edited post by BuachailleBuachaille said:Well because YEC are just one branch of Creationism
I think that IS what he is saying and it's that same old Earth mantra that's been repeated time and again. Oh, if only we YECs would set our faith and bibles aside and listen to the wise and all knowing scientists then the whole planet could live in total bliss.Project 86 said:TE don't fall into the creation catagory though and that's why I believe he doesn't want them posting here at all. edited to remove reference to deleted comment from non-creationists
Buachaille said:This is not a YEC forum FYI.
Evolution is not compatible with the Bible.
There could not have been millions of years of death before sin.
Rom 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
MAN introduced death into the world because of sin
Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
If evolution is true, slow gradual changes over millions of years of death brought man into the world. The Bible and evolution are teaching 2 different things. Note that the Bible calls death an enemy.
1Co 15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
When reading 1COR15 you can clearly see that PHYSICAL death is being discussed and it is described as an enemy that Christ has defeated through his resurrection. PRAISE HIM!
So then you cannot have death in the world (as evolution teaches) millions of years before Adam's sin. BOTH EVOLUTION AND THE BIBLE CANNOT BE TRUE-they teach different things!
Because of death and sin the whole creation is futile according to the Bible.
Rom 8:20-22 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope, Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
But we know that during the Millennial Reign of Christ Or if you are an amillennialist during the new heavens and the new earth; the creation will be restored. DEATH because of sin is what wrecked the creation.
So what does the theistic evolutionist propose? They will say that plants died before the fall of man. But plants are not alive in a Biblical sense. They are a self replicating food source. The haven't got the breath of life and they have no blood. Plants are never spoken of as dying in scripture. They fade and wither, but never die in the sense as humans and animals. All animals and man were vegetarians in the Garden, humans were not to eat meat until after the flood. This further proves that death was not part of God's original creation, but was an enemy, an intruder, brought in by sin.
Furthermore, insects may not even be alive in a biblical sense-I don't know. That's a good topic to study up on.
What theistic evolutionists are really saying is that sickness, disease, death and suffering were here long before sin. What does this make God? How can we explain cancer, gout, heart disease? With the theistic evolution model and logic, this suffering and sickness was part of God's very good creation. Adam and Eve were in the Garden of Eden standing on top of thousands of fossils buried in the dirt. Adam and Eve were both destined to die physically even prior to their spiritual separation from God. Is this what the Bible teaches?
However, when we believe that death and sickness were brought on because of sin, a light clicks. It makes sense that God is good and didn't create us to be sick and die. The effects of the Fall were enormous! We begin to see sin as it is. We see the ugliness and destructive nature of disobedience to God. We then have hope of the glorious resurrection and the restoration of all things through the atonement of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
THEISTIC evolution seriously downplays the fall of man. Without a clear understanding of how huge the Fall was, how can we fully grasp the work of the atonement? Evolution wars against the plan of salvation.
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