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Well, in the Plaza at my campus, we get these recurring Hellfire Preachers with Big Signs (TM). They generally enjoy condemning everything from Catholicism to Evolution. As a result, I've gotten to meet and talk to many people who came up to argue about "stupid Christians who lack knowledge of anything scientific but feel they can condemn everyone."
That was given to show the perception that some people around here have. Hence the quotation marks: ""here, note the statement about "stupid Christians"
We mostly just had interesting discussions about various things related to religion. I don't cram the Gospel down people's throat...they get plenty of that from the preachers.
God will use me to wipe out creationismHow will God use you ( or how do you hope God will use you?)
It is not me who calls them stupid. As for the "cramming the Gospel down people's throats," that is not being demeaning. It is a statement of fact. If you ever heard them, I think you would agree.
Why are you taking so much offense at my personal experiences with a very specific subgroup of YEC Christians who happen to be prominent around here?
We all have different gifts, so some sow and some reap (John 4:37,38)
"I sent you to harvest where you didn't plant; others had already done the work, and you will gather the harvest."
God will use me to wipe out creationism
For a lesser "militant" testimony:
I am a witness for the Lord, so other seekers can see that you can use your godgiven brain to defend the body of christ and stop being simple:
http://blueletterbible.org/cgi-bin/words.pl?word=simple
"How long, ye simple ones, will ye love simplicity? and the scorners delight in their scorning, and fools hate knowledge?"
And to the YEC leaders i say:
"For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple."(Rom 16:18)
This thread asked for everybody's experiences. I gave mine.
What purpose does wiping out creationism serve? I am curious.
"For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:" (Eph 4:12)
If you mean convincing yecs to TEs using science then you are right - it seems only possible in few cases since yecs don't listen to the TE's knowledge. But it strengthen the body of christ because the unbeliever is aware that christians ain't simple minded.I'd like to see how that is done using science.
Not at all since yec's only know the verses which seem to fit their theology, while avoiding all the others.Am I right in saying that the scripture that we read is the same
We are all brethrens in christ, and when you stay in him, you won't get lost - so the important thing is the same between us. Evolution/Creation is not the gospel.the overall end result is in fact, the same.
Love doesn't mean that you have to be nice all the time. Sometimes truth hurts - but i am trying to be as gentle as possible.My problem is I have not seen a lot of love in the argument about evolution vs. creation.
If you mean convincing yecs to TEs using science then you are right - it seems only possible in few cases since yecs don't listen to the TE's knowledge. But it strengthen the body of christ because the unbeliever is aware that christians ain't simple minded.
Not at all since yec's only know the verses which seem to fit their theology, while avoiding all the others.
We are all brethrens in christ, and when you stay in him, you won't get lost - so the important thing is the same between us. Evolution/Creation is not the gospel.
Love doesn't mean that you have to be nice all the time. Sometimes truth hurts - but i am trying to be as gentle as possible.
I'd never use science to convince people of the truth about Christ, for the simple reason that you don't have to know anything about science to be a follower of Christ.
That, and I've seen people try to use it. They can convince people who's knowledge of science is zero; but anyone with any knowledge of the subject in question probably knows more than the person trying to convince others.
And if the "science" they use to convince folk into the kingdom is bad science, then it's a bad start to begin with. Whereof one cannot speak, thereof be silent.
Let your life speak, not your supposedly superior knowledge.
This is exactly why I think it's a bad idea to use science to attest to Christ. If you ever hung around outside my lab door, and one of my lab mates popped out, they'd school you before you ever got the chance to even mention Christ! The argument that creating a building is analogous to creating life is a logical fallacy: argumentum ad ignorantium. Evolutionary theory has some very good explanations as to how biodiversity -- life, even -- might have arisen (yes, I am conflating evolution with abiogenesis here for the sake of argument). Just because you cannot fathom how any of this happened doesn't negate the theory. And besides that, short of just posting a bunch of links, I don't think I have ever seen you actually debate science. (No offense.)Some friends and I go to college campuses and all different kinds of hangout places to preach the gospel. I have the opportunity to witness to a lot of athiests at the secular colleges. When i ask them about God, they usually start by saying, "I don't believe in God, I believe evolution." As a yec, I quickly throw out some lines about the surrounding buildings. Did they just pop up and form over the years or were they designed and built? I use simple illustrations and sometimes delve into more scientific arguments depending on who I'm speaking to.
Thank you all for your posts. I am hoping to see more examples of actual witness encounters and by reviewing, there has been very little. This could mean one of two things: either the participants are too consumed w/ proving their position, or more worse, they just don't witness. Some have said they don't witness using science...I respect that. Of course science or knowledge doesn't save anyone but could be a means of introducing the gospel. We know that salvation comes from repentance and faith in Jesus Christ, and giving intellectual assent to Jesus or creation or guided evolution does not pardon our sins.
In these forums, I have observed many who say something to the effect of "I don't bible-beat them or shove the gospel down their throat", and "the best witness is to build a relationship w/ them and just talk and discuss etc..."
And what if they die in the few seconds before you even talk to them? Should I scare them using Hell right away? We can play the what if game all we want, but it's pointless because they wouldn't convert if I shoved it straight down their throat.I understand their point of view. My only problem is, what happens if they die tomorrow?
Some friends and I go to college campuses and all different kinds of hangout places to preach the gospel. I have the opportunity to witness to a lot of athiests at the secular colleges. When i ask them about God, they usually start by saying, "I don't believe in God, I believe evolution."
But the problem is that's not how evolution works. This is exactly why I don't mix science and witnessing, it's too easy to say something that's incorrect. Buildings don't reproduce and accumulate small errors, so using them as an argument against evolution is wrong. Not only that, if you start spreading misinformation about how genetic information can't increase, then a simple paper search would prove your statement was incorrect (see my reply, I found a paper that directly shows an increase of genetic information, according to AiG's definition). Now what do the secular atheist think? Christians are ignorant, and don't understand science? Science and religion is incompatible?As a yec, I quickly throw out some lines about the surrounding buildings. Did they just pop up and form over the years or were they designed and built? I use simple illustrations and sometimes delve into more scientific arguments depending on who I'm speaking to.
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