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Unsatisfactory Scientific Explanations?

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That's why practically every biologist in the world believes it - because they have no evidence.
 
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what do you think evolution is?
evolution is all about genetic variations.
you cannot possibly have common descent without it.
Yes, of course. So what?

Kimura is simply arguing that evolutionary changes at a molecular scale are far more the result of genetic drift than natural selection, but he agrees that larger scale changes are the result of natural selection. Genetic drift is genetic variation; he's just questioning the driving forces behind genetic variation at different scales. It has no effect whatsoever on common descent.
 
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That, is oh so wrong.... it is ONLY "NATURAL" to "SELECT" a mate from another tribe

Observe human nature and see THE TRUTH
 
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I feel that my dog breeder gives a good illustration of natural selection.
I tried to mix two well behaved breeds, but my latest puppy is a real
pill sometimes.



But it only takes one generation to get extensive variation in a breed.

Agreed - and two different infraspecific taxa within the species to get that one new variation, not two from one as some would have us believe. And the two infraspecific taxa mated to create that one still remain the same infraspecific taxa they were. Nothing evolved into anything. Yes - your dog breeder illustrates the point perfectly - that in the beginning male and female created He them...
 
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One could only hope that the alien was intelligent enough to realise that cross-breeding of varieties within species is not evolution by natural selection...

One could hope the Alien was honest enough to admit (at least to itself) that nothing else has ever been observed, so to speculate something not even hinted at - while ignoring what we do know causes variation (empirically) - would be asking another intelligence to ignore the observations of the natural world in favor of something seen only in the mind.

You have given no reason to ignore the natural world and what we observe except that it doesn't agree with the theory of evolution. Theories are to be adjusted to fit the data - not the data adjusted to fit the theory.
 
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That's why practically every biologist in the world believes it - because they have no evidence.

We have been through this before - why keep bringing that logical fallacy back up???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum

"In argumentation theory, an argumentum ad populum (Latin for "appeal to the people") is a fallacious argument that concludes that a proposition is true because many or most people believe it: "If many believe so, it is so."

All of science once believed the Milky-Way was the entire universe and had math and observational evidence to back up their beliefs. Sadly it turned out they were misinterpreting the data to fit their flawed beliefs. They certainly all believed they were correct - but again - that did not make what they believed any less wrong. No matter how sincere they were.
 
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In spite of the empirical evidence, nevertheless

Of course - doesn't even matter that all T-Rex remained T-Rex, all Triceratops remained Triceratops - from the oldest fossil found to the youngest. Just like all Husky remain Husky and all Asians remain Asians.

Accepting those observations would crush their beliefs - and so observations will be ignored.
 
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But the empirical evidence is all made up, by the evil scientists.

That's your strawman. The data is there if you stop ignoring it. Asian remains Asian. Husky remains Husky. T-Rex remained T-Rex. Triceratops remained Triceratops. From the oldest fossil to the youngest ever found. Nothing evolves into anything - variation only occurs when two separate infraspecific taxa - within the species - mate.

There is no other science but that.
 
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There are donkeys, ligers, zebroids, grolar bears, wholphins, Savannah cats,
Camas, Beefalos, Sheep-goats, hinnies, and blood parrots.

Plus there are all the current species that evolved from the comparatively limited selection on the Ark.
 
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There are donkeys, ligers, zebroids, grolar bears, wholphins, Savannah cats,
Camas, Beefalos, Sheep-goats, hinnies, and blood parrots.

Plus there all all the current species that come from the limited selection on the Ark.

Which was a limited selection to begin with - since the diversity that must have occurred from the original pairs before that time, were reduced back to just a few during that flood. And has since then once again diversified to fill the earth. Imagine the variation capable from those first two genetically perfect pairs - before damage - mutation - began to creep into the species degrading the genome.
 
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But of-course, you may not be privy to seeing different coloured eyes amongst siblings
and ancestrally inherited physical features in a single sibling (Ginger /Red hair)

and don't get me going on mutations that are also inherited

LOL

We all need ears, eyes, and some imagination, not to mention increased brain size
 
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You have given no reason to ignore the natural world and what we observe except that it doesn't agree with the theory of evolution. Theories are to be adjusted to fit the data - not the data adjusted to fit the theory.

You may be referring to the idea of common origins, which really has little to do with
the bulk of evolutionary facts and natural selection.
 
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And so you avoid the topic and participate in ad-hominem attacks as always - because we both know not a single evolutionist here can promote evolution without ignoring direct empirical evidence.

If practically all the experts in a field believe something, it is reasonable to suppose that there must be a reason for that unanimity - I.e. that the supposedly non existent evidence has persuaded them.

Oh, I forgot. They are all involved in a grand conspiracy against Christianity, and that's why there is near unanimity.
 
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The scientific method requires repeated and repeatable observations.

Is Sherlock Holmes' "reasoning backwards" a reliable method for discovering truth?


We agree totally!

And no matter how many times you repeat those observations, Asian mates with Asian and produces only Asian. African mates with African and produces only African.

Only when African mates with Asian does variation (Afro-Asian) come into the record and species

And no matter how many times you repeat those observations, Husky mates with Husky and produces only Husky. Mastiff mates with Mastiff and produces only Mastiff.

Only when Husky mates with Mastiff does variation (Chinook) come into the record and species.

So now reason backwards according to the observations and discover the truth.....
 
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Except those different coloured eyes are due merely to dominant and recessive traits from two different infraspecific taxa mating - and has nothing to do with evolution at all. Just the natural recombination of different genomes into new dominant and recessive traits.

http://pregnancy.familyeducation.com/ovulation-and-conception/slideshow/66569.html

http://www.blinn.edu/socialscience/LDThomas/Feldman/Handouts/0203hand.htm

I still need no Fairie Dust evolution of one creature becoming two or more.
 
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You may be referring to the idea of common origins, which really has little to do with
the bulk of evolutionary facts and natural selection.

Said evolutionary "claimed facts" and natural selection never once having been observed anywhere in the natural world - but again - only in the minds of believers.
 
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