Unpardonable

[Swan7]

The Unforgivable Sin​

Matthew 12:24-25
“But the Pharisees, when they heard it, said, “This man does not expel demons except by Beelzebul the ruler of demons!” But knowing their thoughts, he said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.”

Matthew 12:30-32
“The one who is not with me is against me, and the one who does not gather with me scatters. For this reason I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven! And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him either in this age or in the coming one!”

Mark 3:29-30
“But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit does not have forgiveness forever. but is guilty of an eternal sin”— because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”

Due to the eternal sin the religious Pharisees committed, Jesus Christ issued out a warning of a kind of sin that is unforgivable. It’s not until after Jesus’ death and resurrection that we see a physical example of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit: Acts 5:1-11

There seems to be 2 parts of this sin that are unforgivable against the Holy Spirit:
- Lying
- Saying to someone who has the Holy Spirit in them “he/she has an unclean spirit.”

These should be considered at all times before accusing someone (especially if you don’t know them) not having the Spirit in them. Take Jesus Christ for example. The religious Pharisees hated Him without a cause and more than likely tasted eternal death for the words they spoke against Him. These examples should cause us for alarm when talking to people. We should not ever be accusing as that is something God also hates. Satan is already named the Accuser, so we should never reflect him, but reflect Christ’s love instead. This is part of the reason why God wants us to lift up one another and not tear down.

There are many already in name only, so we should take heed to what the Word says and caution ourselves when we choose our words to speak. I also believe this is why God loves a quiet spirit (1 Peter:3-4) because it is not quick to speak in certain cases as our hearts can deceive us.

 

[Going_Nowhere]

Good message. You should be very careful of what you say is of God and what you say is of Satan and/or demons. Best not to judge....or you might be putting yourself in hot water.

 

[St_Worm2]

Hello @Swan7, the unpardonable sin is pretty specific and, as far as I know anyway, does not include the sin of lying (does it?), even lying to the Holy Spirit.

Mark 3
28 Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter;
29 but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”—
30 because they were saying, “He has an unclean spirit.”​

Ananias and Sapphira did that (lied to the Holy Spirit), and they both lost their mortal lives because they did, but is there any evidence that lying cost them their eternal lives as well?

Thanks!

--David

 

[Swan7]

Hello @Swan7, the unpardonable sin is pretty specific and, as far as I know anyway, does not include the sin of lying (does it?), even lying to the Holy Spirit.

Ananias and Sapphira did that (lied to the Holy Spirit), and they both lost their mortal lives because they did, but is there any evidence that lying cost them their eternal lives as well?

Thanks!

--David

Hey, thanks for the reply!

I was just making notes on what I read and what scripture shows. Yes, but not in the way you explain it. Simply lying isn't the unpardonable sin, but lying TO the Holy Spirit is. Ananias and Sapphira are examples of that. Jesus Christ gave an example of it (which is in the post) and it's quite grievous.

 

[Leet]

Let's hope no one with the irrational fear of blaspheming the Spirit reads this because believe me, they would find reason to turn this upon themselves really badly.

 

[St_Worm2]

Simply lying isn't the unpardonable sin, but lying TO the Holy Spirit is.

Hello again Swan7, blasphemy and lying are two different things/two different kinds of sin, yes? Where does the Bible tell us that "lying" to the HS is also an unpardonable sin?

Thanks again

--David

 

[Swan7]

Hello again Swan7, blasphemy and lying are two different things/two different kinds of sin, yes? Where does the Bible tell us that "lying" to the HS is also an unpardonable sin?

Thanks again

--David

I'm sorry, I don't understand your question. The Bible to me is clear. If you think I am wrong, then may God correct me. I'm not gonna argue though, just FYI. I'm so tired of even looking at threads anymore because of that. I was just on here to post.

Thanks.

 

[St_Worm2]

No worries. I wasn't trying to argue with you (or saying that you are wrong), I'm just interested to know why you came to the conclusion that you did (that lying to the HS is also an unpardonable sin), and if it's in the Bible, where it can be found (because I have missed it if it's in there).

Thanks

--David

 

[com7fy8]

My opinion for you to test >

If a person is knowingly lying to a Christian, the person is lying to God, through that Christian. What you do to the least of Christ's brethren you are doing to Jesus, right? So, any lying to a minister of Jesus can be very dangerous, lying to the Holy Spirit through a minister who is of the Holy Spirit.

Now > if I lie to the Holy Spirit, I would say this is blaspheming Him; it certainly is not honoring Him and reverencing Him. But this, in my understanding, is not necessarily doing the permanent and committed blasphemy of Jesus Christ's Spirit. I think Ananias and Saphira were in commitment to fully blaspheme God and fully despise His people; even if they did not do that knowingly, still they were hardened enough to go their anti-love way, including with greed that made them able to do that. Not all people who lie are like this.

And what helped to feed those Pharisees to speak against God's Spirit? They did not want Jesus to forgive people whom the Pharisees considered to be inferior to their religious in-crowd. And we know how Jesus says if you don't forgive, you are not forgiven, right? I see how they were so against forgiveness, that they could deny who the Holy Spirit is, in order to keep justifying their conceit of feeling they were too good for Jesus and forgiveness. So, their speaking came from very deep and set anti-love stuff in them.

So, I consider that the real permanent unforgivable blasphemy of the Holy Spirit includes how people are hardened to despise God and His children and loving as family and forgiving generously. This makes ones able to speak with such anti-love commitment against the Holy Spirit.

And you can feed on how Ephesians 4:29-32 says not to grieve the Holy Spirit, and then says what to put away from us, and then how to love, instead. Not only words can get us in trouble with the Holy Spirit, but there are things like "bitterness, wrath, anger, clamor, and evil speaking, with all malice." (in Ephesians 4:29-32) These are blasphemous, and against the Holy Spirit, I would say . . . without saying a word.

Yet, we can repent of these things.

Anything wrong we say is against the Holy Spirit, including how we can speak while arguing and complaining. So, my opinion is Jesus means the way a person becomes so the person can know how the Holy Spirit is doing something great, but say it is the devil. That is what certain people were doing . . . right with proof in their faces. They loved money, loved the praise of humans, and were committed to conceited unforgiveness > these helped them to be so hardened against Jesus so they could speak how they did against the Holy Spirit being God's own Spirit. And Ananias and Sapphire were so deeply hardened to seek money instead of love with God's children. So, that was where their lying was coming from, like where certain Pharisees were coming from.

So, I would say > instead of getting overly busy with trying to see if you have blasphemed the Holy Spirit, feed your attention on what God's word says to do. Get into loving any and all people, caring more for others instead of mainly worrying about yourself. Trust God to correct us and personally guide us and care for us in His peace, and be generously forgiving and praying with hope for any and all people (1 Timothy 2:1-4) > love "hopes all things" (in 1 Corinthians 13:7) > this is basic of what God wants > where our attention needs to be, then, most of all >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

 

[K2K]

Any interpretation must take into account all that has been written - and there is something written about how the Scriptures are not up for our interpretation but it take the Holy Spirit who is sent and speaks to our spirit but does not speak on His own initiative. He takes the words of God which belong to the Son and gives them to our spirit.

So what does it mean to "blaspheme against the Holy Spirit" or "speak against the Holy Spirit"?

I might think I know and I might think it is clear, but unless I am hearing from the Holy Spirit and the words He gets form the Lord and speaks to us, then we don't know!

Now I am going to put out something to consider, but request all take it to the Lord.

It is written that God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall be saved. (Jn 3:16)

If I come up with an interpretation that contradicts that then my interpretation must be false. So let's say a person who believes in Jesus Christ stubs their toe and in a moment of pain exclaims a curse word at the Holy Spirit, will that nullify Jn 3:16? He can't be - so the two must be connected!

Consider that it is the Holy Spirit who is trying to get you to believe in Jesus Christ! That is what the Spirit does! So I would have you consider that to blaspheme or speak against the Holy Spirit would be to work at coming against what the Holy Spirit does. eg coming against the idea that belief in Jesus Christ would save you. And it might not be a specific moment but a life time of refusing to listen to the Holy Spirit trying to get you to listen to the words of the Lord which He brings to your spirit. That is to say that failure to believe in Jesus Christ is the same thing as blaspheming against or speaking against the Holy Spirit!