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Rajni

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I think you're just rambling for the sake of rambling at this point, timlamb. Bless your heart.


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Scripture encourages this very thing:

Proverbs 3:5-6
5 Trust in the LORD with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways acknowledge Him,
and He will make your paths straight. [a]


1 Corinthians 10:31
31So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God.

The joy of the Lord is our strength; I know this from experience as well as from Scripture. When even the most routine activity is done with a heart of worship to God, it's just amazing how He transforms it from something that's just "gotta git done" to something truly enjoyable.











 
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*sigh*

Who would've thought an avatar of a panther would cause so much amusement. Never used to get this many laughs two years ago! Duly changed!

No doubt wolves are just as funny....

Anything to add on topic FOG?
I thought the panther was just fine.

Whenever they start critiquing perfectly normal avatars or -- in a past experience I had -- critiquing the size font you use (I kid you not), that comes across as a signal that they've run out of steam and don't have any counter-points of substance to present to the debate. Personally, I thought the dancing banana avatar that was on here was rather comical -- and just plain happy! (Not to mention rich in potassium).









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Oh I know, I've had many a run in on other forums where posting 'style' becomes an issue...

I'm kinda glad though because I like the wolf and avatar. It's not pretending to be a sheep!
 
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red77;52414602]Didn't Jesus also ask for God to forgive them for they knew not what they did?
Saul didn't know whom he was persecuting and he didn't know who it was that knocked him out of his seat. But Paul chose to believe.

I don't try to "deify" Paul at all! I've used the exact same quote you use to say anything but!!!! On several occassions!
You guys always point to Paul as some Saint appointed by God. He made a choice like we all do. His story is written down because he testifies to the saving grace of God, not because he was some kind of "chosen one".
But you say that 'God saw a chance and He took it'??!' Did God not know in advance?
This is in error because I accidentally capitalised "HIM", in the sentence, I think. It was Saul who was given the chance and took it.
Do you have any further answer to my earlier posts?
What would you like me to address?
 
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The lake of fire is about judgement and purification, and yes I would say that it will be a very humblinng excperience for some. Even more so when they realize that God loves them and cares for them. His tender mercies are over all of his works.
The Lord does not cast off forever. ( If he didn't do it in the time of the exile of Israel then He will not do it now--after all he is the same yesterday today and forever)His mercy endures forever. AMEN
 
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My point is understanding and knowing the Word of God is far more impressed upon in scripture than standing in a spiritual presence.
John 5:39-40 ~ "You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about Me, yet you refuse to come to Me to have life."

From a Biblical standpoint, "The Word of God" is Jesus, as opposed to the Scriptures which point us to Him. Scripture calls Him "The Word became flesh" (John 1:14) as opposed to "The Word became printed on high-quality Bible paper with durable hardcover binding and gold stamping."

The idea, therefore, is to progress from “the word
printed on high-quality Bible paper with durable hardcover binding and gold stamping” to "The Word became flesh", which is Jesus Christ Himself. Scripture points us to Him, much like a road map points us to a destination. Once one has reached the destination, they don’t need to keep staring at the map. They’re there. Otherwise, there’s a danger of falling into what is termed as bibliolatry.



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I just get ill at your interpretation of scripture:o

Jesus is scolding the Pharasees because they claim to know the scriptures yet don't recognise the one the scriptures are all about:
These are the Scriptures that testify about Me, yet you refuse to come to Me to have life."

WE do not have the Word in the Flesh with us, we have the spirit and the Word. We are expected to read and understand and folow and depend on the WORD, as written.

Once one has reached the destination, they don’t need to keep staring at the map. They’re there.
You think you know the Bible well enough to quit reading it? No wonder you are confused. BLESS YOUR HEART (really, that IS sad)
 
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no where does the bible say the lake of fire is purification!.

Btw, I got nothing good to say and have run out of words and arguments.

I noticed Universalists take the literal Greek phrase of "eis tous aionas ton aionon, -- into the age of the ages" which is commonly translated as "forever and ever," "forevermore," and state that it refers to an age of time, a finite period of time.

It is true that the basic root of "aion" means age. But it is not true that all words derived from that root mean a finite duration of time. The phrase means "unlimited duration of time, with particular focus upon the future - ‘always, forever, forever and ever, eternally." Additionally, the phrase is used to describe both God's eternal attributes and His eternal nature as well as eternal torment.

Following are verses containing every single usage of the Greek phrase "eis tous aionas ton aionon -- into the age of the ages." It clearly shows that it means "forever," "without end." The first two verses deal with eternal condemnation and judgment. The next 16 deal with God's Glory and honor. "into the age of the ages" Translated as "forever and ever"; "forevermore"
Provided by www.biblegateway.com utilizing the NASB Translation
"And a second time they said, "Hallelujah! Her smoke rises up forever and ever,"- Revelation 19:3

"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever,"- Revelation 20:10

"to whom be the glory forevermore, Amen" - Galatians 1:2

"Now to our God and Father be the glory forever and ever. Amen,"- Phil. 4:20

"Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen,"- 1 Timothy 1:17

"The Lord will deliver me from every evil deed, and will bring me safely to His heavenly kingdom; to Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen,"- 2 Timothy 4:18

"equip you in every good thing to do His will, working in us that which is pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ, to whom be the glory forever and ever. Amen,"- Hebrews 13:21

"Whoever speaks, let him speak, as it were, the utterances of God; whoever serves, let him do so as by the strength which God supplies; so that in all things God may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom belongs the glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen,"- 1 Peter 4:11

"and He has made us to be a kingdom, priests to His God and Father; to Him be the glory and the dominion forever and ever. Amen,"- Revelation 1:6

"and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades,"- Revelation 1:18

"And when the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to Him who sits on the throne, to Him who lives forever and ever,"- Revelation 4:9

"the twenty-four elders will fall down before Him who sits on the throne, and will worship Him who lives forever and ever, and will cast their crowns before the throne,"- Revelation 4:10

"And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying, "To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever,"- Revelation 5:13

"Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen,"- Revelation 7:12

"and swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and the things in it, and the earth and the things in it, and the sea and the things in it, that there shall be delay no longer,"- Revelation 10:6

"And the seventh angel sounded; and there arose loud voices in heaven, saying, 'The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever,'"- Revelation 11:15

"And one of the four living creatures gave to the seven angels seven golden bowls full of the wrath of God, who lives forever and ever,"- Revelation 15:7

"And there shall no longer be any night; and they shall not have need of the light of a lamp nor the light of the sun, because the Lord God shall illumine them; and they shall reign forever and ever,"- Revelation 22:5

Clearly, the phrase "forever and ever" is a correct translation of the Greek " "eis tous aionas ton aionon -- forever and ever" Every instance of the phrase shows eternality.
 
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no where does the bible say the lake of fire is purification!.

The Bible doesn't say anything about the perichoretic nature of the Trinity either. Doesn't change the fact that it's still one of the most sublime pieces of theology.

There are lines, and there are things to be read between them.
 
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Nope, Sorry 2 Kings, only uni's can tell us when it means forever. BLESS THEIR HEARTS!!
I think it goes like this: Bad stuff, wrath, condemnation, judgement; temproary.
Good stuff: God's love, ect; forever and forever

See the interpretation is simple, just ask them. BLESS THEIR HEARTS!!
 
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The Bible doesn't say anything about the perichoretic nature of the Trinity either. Doesn't change the fact that it's still one of the most sublime pieces of theology.

There are lines, and there are things to be read between them.
The Trinity is found IN the lines. The Father sends the Son, who in turn sends the Spirit, God to us in three forms. Lake of Fire purification is not even between the lines.
 
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There are lines, and there are things to be read between them.
Oh please, if you could point out where the bible even hints at fire being purification after I already showed that forever and ever is really eternal then be my guest.
 
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I just get ill at your interpretation of scripture:o

Jesus is scolding the Pharasees because they claim to know the scriptures yet don't recognise the one the scriptures are all about:
You've totally missed my point.
If your attitude is supposed to be a model of the sort of person who "follows and depends on the Word as written", I'll pass, thank you!




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Sounded more like sarcasm
Evidently, you were simply expecting to receive what you yourself have been dishing out and assumed it was meant in a sarcastic rather than sympathetic way. However, not everyone here relies upon the sarcastic and bitter tone that those who "follow and depend on the Word as written" seem to in order to get their points across.



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The Trinity is found IN the lines. The Father sends the Son, who in turn sends the Spirit, God to us in three forms. Lake of Fire purification is not even between the lines.

I see it quite clearly in there.

You are telling me that it is not in between the lines when I see it in between the lines.

That is akin to telling a person that is staring at a refrigerator that no refrigerator exists there.
 
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