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I don't think causation or responsibility are nearly that bivalent.From Post #11
Personally, I don't believe that anyone's salvation is contingent upon another person's evangelical performance in the first place. This is why I got back into debating about Universalism when I saw a video over at GodTube called "A Letter From Hell", basically a scare-tactic to frighten believers into evangelizing lest their unsaved friend end up in hell as a direct result of their silence. This is based on what I believe is a false belief stemming from thinking that works can save us. Since our works cannot save even ourselves, our evangelistic works cannot save anyone else ... We evangelize to plant seeds, but God is the one who gives the increase.
I don't think causation or responsibility are nearly that bivalent.
Not an assumption, but a conclusion based on observing patterns of assigning blame in order to pretend each effect has one and only one cause, and thereby obviate shared responsibility.Hi Liz....what do you base this assumption on....please enlighten us.
Wait, is there really still an arguement, Universalism is a Heresy.
From an evangelistic effort perspective, it renders evangelism unneeded. Why GO! and preach the Good News if everybody is saved? Why GO! and preach the need for a savior from sin and destruction if everybody is already saved? Why GO! and preach repentance if everybody is saved?
Universalism and all that it stands for run contrary to the purpose of Jesus Christ dying on the cross and Commissioning His people to GO!
Not an assumption, but a conclusion based on observing patterns of assigning blame in order to pretend each effect has one and only one cause, and thereby obviate shared responsibility.
Yes I can see your point, the hell preachers assign blame to the believer for not believing their doctrine and threaten the believer with Eternal Torment if they do not, mean while other people that wanted to hear the word of God are put off by these self righreouse hell preacher types...turning men away from God.
Plus they create sons of perdition far worse than themselves...
If you want a proof that identifying one cause does not mean something else is not also a cause, we can go into the logic of that, but I'm not sure it's necessary if you just think about it.
Most of the people who preach this after death eternal torment doctrine, just seem to fail to understand the magnitude and Power of God, and that death is no limitation for Him, concerning us. For example in the Word it says:
For the gospel has for this purpose been preached even to those who are dead, that though they are judged in the flesh as men, they may live in the spirit according to God.
They seem to think that all of us don't think there will be a purifying punishment that won't take place but I , for one, agree that there will be. But for those who accept God and His Son, they will be rewarded with eternal life..and those who don't,,death of the second and final kind. Thoughts?
"Yeah, it's complicated," said Mrs. Palzgraf.However have you considered the possibility that it is...God... who has shut these Hell preachers up in disobedience to serve a higher purpose of his....as God shuts up all men in disobedience.....to serve a higher purpose of his.
So a Single cause can be identified...God...the cause of all things.....does not all the Glory go to him ?
Peace
The other thread is closed.
If you're not sick of the topic, have at it here.
I'm still interested in discussing the benefits or drawbacks of Universalism especially as relates to evangelistic efforts.
Feel free to range a bit off-topic also.
You think that you have to accept Christ of your own violation ?....you become a Slave to him of Gods choosing.
Do you think Saul of Tarsus came to Jesus of his own Violation....no way, Saul had to be struck down Blind on the road to Damascus by the glorified and risen Christ to put a stop to him.....and who shut up Saul in that disobedience....thats right....God.
The Doctrine of Free will is worthy only of rebuke !
Wait, is there really still an arguement, Universalism is a Heresy.
The other thread is NOT closed, btw.
Benefits: A false sense of security to appease the fears that there really is a judgment coming and people you know may be sent to eternal damnation.
Drawbacks: A false sense of security that appeases fears that there really is a judgment coming and people you know may be sent to eternal damnation.
We got bored with the not-debate debate. If you want to argue, my proposal is still open. If you want to chat, this is the place.
I'm as chatty as they come. What's your favourite colour?
Do you part your hair on the right or the left?
Boxers or briefs?
Socks and sandals?
Tea or coffee?
Dark purple.
Left.
Recently made the shift to boxers and I ain't going back.
Now that's heresy!
It is by caffeine that I put my mind in motion.
By the juice of the java bean thoughts acquire speed.
The hands acquire shakes.
The shakes become a warning.
It is by caffeine that I put my mind in motion.
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