Unitarianism is a LOGICAL claim?

[tonychanyt]

Stephen R. Holmes said:

"If the Father is the one true God, then no one and nothing else can be" is a logical claim that is at least not axiomatic. Also, it seems to me, it is a logical claim that can be denied.

Emphases added.

When I heard the above, I experienced anterior cingulate cortex dissonance. I think by 'logical', he meant 'propositional'. Further, I wouldn't use the adjective 'axiomatic' here either. I would say something like this: It is a propositional claim that they take for granted.

For the purpose of argumentation, one can axiomatize (i.e., postulate) anything, e.g., the negation of Euclid's 5th axiom.

 

[RamiC]

Stephen R. Holmes said:

"If the Father is the one true God, then no one and nothing else can be" is a logical claim that is at least not axiomatic. Also, it seems to me, it is a logical claim that can be denied.

The Father is not the one true God.

30 I and the Father are one.” John 10:30-38 NIV

7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. John 16:6-8 NIV

 

[tonychanyt]

The Father is not the one true God.

30 I and the Father are one.” John 10:30-38 NIV

How does the above say the father is NOT the one true God?

7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. John 16:6-8 NIV

How does the above say the father is NOT the one true God?

 

[Mark Quayle]

How does the above say the father is NOT the one true God?

How does the above say the father is NOT the one true God?

Interesting to me lately, how often the same words said by two different people can mean even opposite things.

On another site, it was noted that the Doctrine of God, Proper, is pretty much the same across the board, in Christendom, but when you get to the other doctrines, that one is often pretty much forgotten, or only alluded to from time to time —but more often, eroded— while, for some mindsets, the other doctrines are entirely dependent on that one, and always are given definition by who/what God is.

 

[tonychanyt]

Interesting to me lately, how often the same words said by two different people can mean even opposite things.

Right and then there are auto-antonyms, like 'oversight' and 'sanction'.

 

[Reluctant Theologian]

The Father is not the one true God.

Mm, maybe you have a different view on John 17:3 ?

'And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent,'

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

There is nothing logical about Unitarianism. God revealed His nature to us as the trinity, because that's who He is.

 

[Mark Quayle]

Right and then there are auto-antonyms, like 'oversight' and 'sanction'.

Haha! yes! Just yesterday I was reading a translation of John Calvin's letter to the king of France, which used at least 10 archaic words I had never heard or had rarely heard. One was "overleap".

 

[RamiC]

Mm, maybe you have a different view on John 17:3 ?

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No, my faith in God is as the Father, Son and Holy Ghost - and the blue words are a link to CF Rules, as quoted above.

The "Father is not the one true God, the Trinity is". When Jesus Himself prayed, He could not address to two parts of the Trinity that are both Him, so His prayers were to the Father.

30 I and the Father are one.” John 10:30-38 NIV and 7 But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. John 16:6-8 NIV

From the OP - "If the Father is the one true God, then no one and nothing else can be" is a logical claim that is at least not axiomatic. Also, it seems to me, it is a logical claim that can be denied." Stephen R. Holmes

If no one and nothing else can be God then Jesus incarnate was not and the Holy Spirit now is not. Surely to say that is denial of the Trinity?

I was attempting to object to the Trinity denial from the Unitarian quote in the OP.

Alert for tonychanyt because of post #3.

 

[tonychanyt]

Alert for tonychanyt because of post #3.

See My take on Trinity and follow up there