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IN Christ. As an active member of His Body. It is only here that we can grow in sanctification and honor.
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IN Christ. As an active member of His Body. It is only here that we can grow in sanctification and honor.We are not only counted holy, therefore, we ARE holy.
Sanctification is by the word and work of God,
through the working of the Holy Spirit.
2 Thessonians 2:
13 But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
14 to which He called you by our gospel, for the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
16 Now may our Lord Jesus Christ Himself, and our God and Father, who has loved us and given us everlasting consolation and good hope by grace,
17 comfort your hearts and establish you in every good word and work.
1 Thessalonians 4:
1 Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God;
2 for you know what commandments we gave you through the Lord Jesus. (to obey)
3 For this is the will of God, your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality;
4 that each of you should know how to possess his own vessel in sanctification and honor,
5 not in passion of lust, like the Gentiles who do not know God.
Are you sure of your reference? I just re-read Galatians 3 and find nothing to support this sprinkling of outpoured Spirit, negating the need for the obedience of the faith described in Romans 6, as slaves to righteousness by obedience to the Spirit.In Galatians 3, however, Paul isn't dealing principally with conversion but with MATURATION (sanctification) - gravitating us to Pauline standards of maturity. And the Galatian error was to imagine that acts of obedience bring you there. Paul had to remind them that (reviving) sprinklings of the outpoured Spirit constitute the only route to maturity.
Ok now you're trying to deliberately misconstrue what I said. At least twice I've stipulated my stance on obedience.Are you sure of your reference? I just re-read Galatians 3 and find nothing to support this sprinkling of outpoured Spirit, negating the need for the obedience of the faith described in Romans 6, as slaves to righteousness by obedience to the Spirit.
Maybe reference this passage then.But regeneration (holiness) is passive. It is an instantaneous outpouring of grace. As such, all we can do to INCREASE our holiness is to wait upon the Lord for more such outpourings.
Regeneration is not passive? Can you explain to me the technology of regeneration and how you accomplished it?Maybe reference this passage then.
Titus 3:
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;
7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
8 This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.
There seems to be a clear necessity to working by obedience to the Spirit. I don't follow this notion of passive regeneration of the Spirit. It is the Spirit that disciplines me to walk in righteousness and true holiness. The relationship must be active and ongoing.
No, I don't find support in Galatians 3 for your stance, or is it Andrew Murray's? Let me be even more direct, 4 decades of ACTIVE relationship with the Spirit of holiness contradicts what I am hearing from you.Ok now you're trying to deliberately misconstrue what I said. At least twice I've stipulated my stance on obedience.
Again, I have no intention of using non Biblical terminology in any discussion of Paul's theology.Can you explain to me the technology of regeneration and how you accomplished it?
None of those verses contradict my position. Remember my statements about obedience.Again, I have no intention of using non Biblical terminology in any discussion of Paul's theology.
Regeneration by the Spirit is accomplished by chastisement, discipline that corrects our behavior as we mature in our relationship with the Lord..
Hebrews 12:
10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness.
11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.
2 Corinthians 1: 7 And our hope for you is steadfast, because we know that as you are partakers of the sufferings, so also you will partake of the consolation.
No? Out of curiosity, how many times can a man be justified by faith, in your view?No, I don't find support in Galatians 3 for your stance...
Every time you open your mouth.No? Out of curiosity, how many times can a man be justified by faith, in your view?
Every time you open your mouth.
Matthew 12:
36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give an account of it in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.
It is received by actively seeking revival, by an expressed hunger and thirst for a fresh move of the Spirit. They didn't just show up at church one Sunday and surprise, the Holy Ghost poured out.If so, what do you think happened to those people? What is a revival, if not an outpouring of holiness that is RECEIVED (as opposed to a holiness humanly ACHIEVED or ACCOMPLISHED).
We walk by faith. We add to our faith into the mature relationship by which we can speak Truth. If you utter something false the Spirit chastises, corrects, disciplines. This is the sure mercies of David, which is the covenant we operate under. The Holy Spirit leads us into a higher faith. We grow in Grace and the knowledge of our Lord and Savior. 2 Peter 3:18I'm not following you. In your view, Paul's doctrine of justification by faith is something that recurs every time you open your mouth? And if you happen to utter something bad, are you then unjustified by faith?
Exactly! Outpourings of holiness in response to prayer! Notice they didn't ACCOMPLISH this holiness. They WAITED in prayer to RECEIVE it. Biblical examples of this principle:The Great Revivals occurred when Saints tarried and prayed into a move of the Spirit.
You seem to be deflecting and dancing around the precise question I asked concerning how many times does the Pauline doctrine of justification by faith recur within the lifetime of a Christian.We walk by faith. We add to our faith into the mature relationship by which we can speak Truth. If you utter something false the Spirit chastises, corrects, disciplines. This is the sure mercies of David, which is the covenant we operate under. The Holy Spirit leads us into a higher faith. We grow in Grace and the knowledge of our Lord and Savior. 2 Peter 3:18
2 Peter 1:
5 But also for this very reason, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue, to virtue knowledge,
6 to knowledge self-control, to self-control perseverance, to perseverance godliness,
7 to godliness brotherly kindness, and to brotherly kindness love.
8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins.
Psalm 63:@Minister Monardo:
Here's a good verse for the church:
"Will you not revive us again, that your people may rejoice in you?" (Psalm 85:6)
And it is by faith that we actively seek Him.Exactly! Outpourings of holiness in response to prayer! Notice they didn't ACCOMPLISH this holiness. They WAITED in prayer to RECEIVE it. Biblical examples of this principle:
"How much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” (Lk 11:13).
"When Solomon finished praying, fire came down from heaven and consumed the burnt offering and the sacrifices, and the glory of the LORD filled the temple" (2Chr 7).
"Do not leave Jerusalem, but wait for the gift my Father promised...They all joined together constantly in prayer" (Acts 1).
"They that wait upon the Lord shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint” (Isa. 40:31).
"After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly" (Acts 4).
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