UnBlemished - The Days of Noah

[Lulav]

Todays Parasha, Noach has so much to talk about but what I took from the beginning of the reading is something I'd like to discuss , again. Years ago on these forums a very few understood what the sod level of this was, most others argued that wasn't what it meant. I am hoping that today with all that has been revealed in the news the paradigm for those has changed.

Yeshua said when he was to return it would be like 'In the days of Noach'. We need to really understand what that means.

This ties in with a book I have been writing but not sure if there is time left to finish it so I'll probably be posting here my findings.

The opening of Chapter 6 in Genesis states these facts:

1. The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose
2. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
3. I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
4. The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
5. Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations

The word translated 'perfect' along with 'generations' defines the meaning here of the usage of the word 'tamim'.

Notice that it states that all flesh was corrupted.

The only way that flesh can be corrupted is by it being changed from it's original form, the form that in the beginning G-d himself created.

We are told in those facts above the 'how' and by 'whom' all flesh was corrupted.

Now using scripture to define scripture, searching out where else the word 'tamim' is used we find that the book of Leviticus contains a dozen uses of this word, all regarding sacrifices. The first usage regarding sacrifices though is found in Exodus, regarding Passover, thus the Passover Lamb.

We are used to the phrase 'without blemish' and if you've studied a bit on Kashrut you will think about tumors being a disqualifying standard and other things like that, these are 'cosmetic' or indications of disease but there is a deeper level that I believe G-d was indicating on these sacrifices.

We know that He wants only certain sacrifices and is adamant about them throughout the Bible; they needed to be perfect, without blemish, but why? Many believe that it has to do with offering him 'the best' but I will state here and now I believe it has to do with offering to him what He Made.

Last weeks parasha of course was Beresheet, in the beginning and we read that when HaShem created the animals and mankind he proclaimed them 'tov'.

When G-d created these living things he created them 'perfect' as only he could do.

All these living things have one thing in common that wasn't known until the last century, DNA.

In today's language we could call it a 'program' like one that is written for a computer. And what happened shortly after creation was the 'corruption' of this program. A 'virus' was introduced by another creation of the L-RDs, the 'sons of G-d'.

What this did was corrupt the DNA of the human race, and not only that but also the animals and possibly at that time the plant life.

Today the same thing is happening, right under our noses, it's called Genetic Engineering, brought to us by certain factions who tell us it is for the betterment of the whole world.

Now getting back to the usage of the word 'Tamim' where else do we find this word?

How about in Ezekiel? 28:13

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

There's that word 'tamim', he was created perfect, his 'dna' was perfect. Somehow, that we still don't understand today this was corrupted and ever since life was introduced to earth he has sought to also corrupt that as well. .

G-d does not want generically altered sacrifices, this would be an abomination to him to have something offered up that he did not create, but rather a corrupted form of it.

This attack on 'perfection' is what we see today happening at an alarming rate, and it surely is bringing us back to the 'Days of Noach'!

There's much more I'd like to add to this but would like some input first, so what do y'all think about this?

 

[rockytopva]

Noah was unblemished and blessed... Until he arrived at a place of ease! And how many times has this been repeated? And how easily it is to become unperfect in this day and time! And to let John Bunyan tell it best...

"And God blessed Noah, and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful and multiply, and replenish the earth." - Genesis 9:1

Noah having thus waded through these great temptations, and being made also to partake of the mercy of God, in preserving and saving him from the evil thereof, and being brought to partake of the beginning of a new world, while the ungodly that were before the flood were perished for their iniquity: he receiveth now from the mouth of the Lord, before whom he walked before the flood, laws and ordinances, as rules by which he should still govern his life before him. But mark, Before he receiveth these rules and commandments, he receiveth blessing from God; blessing, I say, as that which should yet fore-fit him to do his will.

"And God blessed Noah." Blessed him with spiritual and special grace; for without that, no man can walk, with God's acceptance before him. He blessed him with grace suitable to the work he was now to begin; to wit, for the replenishing and governing the new world God had brought him to: so that Noah did not without precedent qualifications take this work upon him. God also gave Caleb and Joshua another spirit, and then they followed him fully. That of David is for this remarkable, "Who am I, [said he] and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee." "O Lord our God, saith he, all this store that we have prepared to build thee an house for thine holy name, cometh of thine hand, and is all thine own" (1 Chron 29:10-16). So is faith, love, strength, wisdom, sincerity, and all other good things wherewith and by which we walk with God, worship him, and do his will: all which is comprised in these words, "I will give them an heart to know me, that I am the LORD: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God; for they shall return unto me with their whole heart" (Jer 24:7). "A new heart also will I give them" (Eze 36:25-29). And again, "I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me" (Jer 32:37-40).

"And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth." After he had blessed him, then he tells him what they should do; namely, "Be fruitful, and multiply." This he spake with respect to the seed that he and his sons should beget, therewith to people the world; which was now the remaining part of his work, and he had three arguments to encourage him thereto. First, He was delivered from the wicked and sinners of the old world: 2. He was made the heir of a new world; and 3. Was to leave it as an heritage to his children.

This therefore should teach us, who are brought into the kingdom of Christ, that new world that hath taken its beginning in the word of the gospel, not to be idle, but to be fruitful, and to labour to fill the world with a spiritual seed to God: for as Noah, so are we made heirs of this blessed kingdom; and shall also, as that good man, leaven, when we sleep in Jesus, this spiritual seed to possess the kingdom after us.

"These are the three sons of Noah; and of them was the whole earth overspread." - Genesis 9:19

Thus though Noah's beginning was small, his latter end did greatly increase.

"And Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a vineyard:—And he drank of the wine, and was drunken; and he was uncovered within his tent." - Genesis 9:20-21

This is the blot in this good man's scutcheon; and a strange blot it is, that such an one as Noah should be thus overtaken with evil! One would have thought that Moses should now have began with a relation of some eminent virtues, and honourable actions of Noah, since now he was saved from the death that overtook the whole world, and was delivered, both he and his children, to possess the whole earth himself. Indeed, he stepped from the earth to the altar; as Israel of old did sing on the shore of the red Sea: But, as they, he soon forgat; he rendered evil to God for good.[40]

Neither is Noah alone in this matter: Lot also being delivered from that fire from heaven that burnt up Sodom and Gomorrah, falls soon after into lewdness with the children of his body, and begetteth his own two daughters with child (Gen 19:30-36).

Gideon also, after he was delivered out of the hands of his enemies, took that very gold which God had given him, as the spoil of them that hated him, and made himself idols therewith (Judg 8:24-27). What shall I say of David? and of Solomon also, who after he had been twenty years at work for the service of the true God, both in building and preparing for his worship, and in writing of Proverbs by divine inspiration; did, after this, make temples for idols; yea, almost for the gods of all countries? Yea, he did it when he was old, when he should have been preparing for his grave, and for eternity. "It came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods:—For Solomon went after Ashtoreth, the goddess of the Zidonians; and after Milcom, the abomination of the Ammonites.—He did also build an high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem; and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his strange wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods" (1 Kings 11:4-8).

All these sins were sins against mercies; yea, and doubtless against covenants, and the most solemn resolutions to the contrary. For who can imagine, but that when Noah was tossed with the flood, and Lot within the scent and smell of the fire and brimstone that burnt down Sodom, with his sons, and his daughters; and Gideon, when so fiercely engaged with so great an enemy, and delivered by so strange a hand; should in the most solemn manner both promise and vow to God. But behold! now they in truth are delivered and saved, they recompense all with sin. Lord, what is man! "How - abominable and filthy is man, which drinketh iniquity like water" (Job 15:16). Let these things learn us to cease from man, "whose breath is in his nostrils: for wherein is he to be accounted of?" (Isa 2:22). Indeed, it is a vain thing to build our faith upon the most godly man in the world, because he is subject to err; yea, far better than He, was so.

If Noah, and Lot, and Gideon,and David, and Solomon, who wanted not matter from arguments, and that of the strongest kind; as arguments that are drawn from mercy and goodness be, to engage to holiness, and the fear of God; yet after all, did so foully fall, as we see: let us admire grace, that any stand; let the strongest fear, lest he fearfully fall; and let no man but Jesus Christ himself be the absolute platform and pattern of faith and holiness. As the prophet saith, "Let us cease from man." But to return:

"And Noah began to be an husbandman." This trade he took up for want of better employment; or rather, in mine opinion, from some liberty he took to himself, to be remiss in his care and work, as a preacher. For seeing the church was now at rest, and having the world before them, they still retaining outward sobriety, poor Noah, good man, now might think with himself, "I need not now be so diligent, watchful and painful in my ministry as formerly; the church is but small, without opposition, and also well settled in the truth; I may now take to myself a little time to tamper with worldly things." So he makes an essay upon husbandry. "He began to be an husbandman." Ha, Noah! it was better with thee when thou wast better employed! Yea, it was better with thee, when a world of ungodly men set themselves against thee! Yea, when every day thy life was in danger to be destroyed by the giants, against whom thou wast a preacher above a hundred years! For then thou didst walk with God; Then thou wast better than all the world; but now thou art in the relapse!

Hence note, That though the days of affliction, of temptation and distress, are harsh to flesh and blood; yet they are not half so dangerous as are the days of peace and liberty. Wherefore Moses pre-admonished Israel, That when they had received the land of Canaan, and had herds, and silver and gold in abundance, that then their heart be not lifted up to forget the Lord their God. Jesurun kicked when he was fat. O! When provender pricks[41] us, we are apt to be as the horse or mule, that is without understanding (Deu 8:10-15).

"He planted a vineyard: and he drank of the wine, and was drunken." Although in the course of godliness, many men have but a speculative knowledge of things; yet it is not so in the ways of this world and sin, the practical part of these things are lived in by all the world. They are sinners indeed, "He drank of the wine."

"He drank of the wine, and was drunken." The Holy Ghost, when it hath to do with sin, it loveth to give it its own name: drunkenness must be drunkenness, murder must be murder, and adultery must bear its own name. Nay, it is neither the goodness of the man, nor his being in favour with God, that will cause him to lessen or mince his sin. Noah was drunken; Lot lay with his daughters; David killed Uriah; Peter cursed and swore in the garden, and also dissembled at Antioch. But this is not recorded, to the intent that the name of these godly should rot or stink: but to shew, that the best men are nothing without grace; and, "that he that standeth, should not be high minded, but fear." Yea, they are also recorded, for the support of the tempted, who when they are fallen, are oft raised up by considering the infirmities of others. "Whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience, and comfort of the scriptures might have hope" (Rom 15:4).

"And he was uncovered within his tent." That is, he lay like a drunken man, that regarded not who saw his shame. Hence note, how beastly a sin drunkenness is; it bereaveth a man of consideration, and civil behaviour; it makes him as brutish and shameless as a beast; yea, it discovereth his nakedness to all that behold.

"And he was uncovered." That is, lay naked, Behold ye now, that a little of the fruit of the vine, lays gravity, grey hairs, and a man that for hundreds of years was a lover of faith, holiness, goodness, sobriety, and all righteousness; shamelessly, as the object to the eye of the wicked, with his nakedness in his tent.

"He was uncovered within his tent." The best place of retirement he had, but it could not hide him from the eye of the ungodly; it is not therefore thy secret chamber, nor thy lurking in holes, that will hide thee from the eye of the reproacher: nothing can do this but righteousness, goodness, sobriety and faithfulness to God; this will hide thee; these are the garments, which, if they be on thee, will keep thee, that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear (Rev 16:15). - An Exposition on the First Ten Chapters OF GENESIS - John Bunyan

 

[visionary]

Great start and I believe going to be a very interesting thread.

As it was in the "days of Noah"... In Noah's day, Nephilium [cross breeding of man and angels] were abundant. The noted characteristic were predominantly evil continually. There were no boundaries for their evil intent. Take as they want, destroy as they will, fiercely threatening to all those near them.


It was the wickedness of humanity and the abominable union of the supernatural with the natural that moved God to judge the world. We are fast approaching a new period of God's wrath.

We are being introduced to the endless possibilities of mutations through movies like the Avengers, Jumper, Zombies, etc.

"Nephilim" root "Niphal" meaning "distinguished ones" corresponds perfectly with the "men of renown" at the end of Genesis 6:4. I think "infamous" would have been a better term since their "renown" wasn't for good deeds.

Since Nephilium is about bad angels and their offspring, which when they die have enough spirituality of their fathers that they "roam the earth looking for whom they can dwell" and when it is found in someone, that person becomes able to speak in a language unknown to him. They also seem to possess a knowledge of secret facts, previously unknown to him. They also have unnatural strength beyond his age and ability.

I do not want this to turn into a Nephilium thread but it is a part of the corruption in Noah's day.

 

[visionary]

Think about it and the ask for a reboot, a reprogramming, a change in the defective hardware, and default to the original program.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

There's much more I'd like to add to this but would like some input first, so what do y'all think about this?

Am I able to reply freely (and simply) in this thread in this section ?

 

[Lulav]

Am I able to reply freely (and simply) in this thread in this section ?

Sure, it's not a MJ only thread, as long as you post according to our SOP

 

[Lulav]

It will be great in that day we can that are corruptible can put on the incorruptible as Paul spoke of. As it is now our species is corruptible, was back then and is so today, but there will come a time when the one who sought to corrupt the human race will no longer have access to us and we will live perfect as G-d created us to be!

 

[Lulav]

I think it is a very important thing to realize that back from the beginning the corruption of our 'species' , a full on war against us was initiated in the garden. I think when the full realization of this is made it will be easy to understand many of the Laws given by G-d that haven't been totally understood to this day.

I see a parallel from the creation saying they had seed so they could produce after their kind and many of the laws given, especially in Leviticus, where you will find all sorts of separation, of plants, animals and humans.

We think of genetics as only recently being experimented with but it is probably the most ancient 'science' and the experiments the fallen angels did on man, beast, bird and fish as well as plants are being recreated today.

In handing down the laws at Sinai G-d was trying to keep at least one part of the human race, pure. The Adversary has zeroed in on that and tried to destroy that in many ways, forced conversions, Nazi experiments to name a couple.

 

[Lulav]

Here's a verse that to me has new meaning regarding what I was talking about above, about the laws being given.

It's from Deuteronomy 18 and I'll post it in context as I think that's important too.

9 When thou art come into the land which the L-RD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.
10There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, 11Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. 12For all that do these things are an abomination unto the L-RD: and because of these abominations the L-RD thy God doth drive them out from before thee.

13 Thou shalt be perfect with the L-RD thy God.

14For these nations, which thou shalt possess, hearkened unto observers of times, and unto diviners: but as for thee, the L-RD thy God hath not suffered thee so to do.

Being perfect with or before the L-RD meant in your DNA, so I get the distinct impression that witchcraft can have an effect on your DNA, just as I believe what you eat can also have great influence, which give me a great segue into the writing I hinted to earlier.

 

[visionary]

Ever since I took biology classes and was taught about the virus, I have been wondering if there was some experimentation done that created the virus. It has characteristics that are unlike any other organism.

They are considered both a living and non living things. Living because of their programmed activity, non living because they have no life of their own.

The term virus is derived from Latin word-“virus” means poison. They are enclosed in a protective envelope. They have spikes, which helps them to attach to the host cell.

They are non cellular. They do not respire, do not metabolize and do not grow but they do reproduce. They contain a protein coat called the capsid. They have a nucleic acid core containing DNA or RNA. Ribosomes and enzymes are absent, which are needed for metabolism.

Viruses are inactive when they are present outside of host cells and are active in side of host cells. As they make use of raw materials and enzymes of the host cell to reproduce and causes several infections.

This all sounds more like a organic computer type of virus for the organic beings that live on this planet. I have often wondered if this was an ancient experiment let loose on the population, we have no idea of what the people before the flood were capable of.

 

[rockytopva]

I am a Lab Technician at a large factory. They have introduced a really weak alkaline cleaner to an ultrasonic cleaner. The only problem is there are times where I can detect a stink, and worry that they have bacteria growing. I got this stuff on my body and it spread in my laundry making the whole load stinky. After that experience I understand why some in a laboratory environment take contamination very seriously and wear gloves.

And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: - Exodus 32:7

Was this not like a virus that spread very quickly throughout the whole camp?

 

[tatteredsoul]

Todays Parasha, Noach has so much to talk about but what I took from the beginning of the reading is something I'd like to discuss , again. Years ago on these forums a very few understood what the sod level of this was, most others argued that wasn't what it meant. I am hoping that today with all that has been revealed in the news the paradigm for those has changed.

Yeshua said when he was to return it would be like 'In the days of Noach'. We need to really understand what that means.

This ties in with a book I have been writing but not sure if there is time left to finish it so I'll probably be posting here my findings.

The opening of Chapter 6 in Genesis states these facts:

1. The sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose
2. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
3. I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
4. The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
5. Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations

The word translated 'perfect' along with 'generations' defines the meaning here of the usage of the word 'tamim'.

Notice that it states that all flesh was corrupted.

The only way that flesh can be corrupted is by it being changed from it's original form, the form that in the beginning G-d himself created.

We are told in those facts above the 'how' and by 'whom' all flesh was corrupted.

Now using scripture to define scripture, searching out where else the word 'tamim' is used we find that the book of Leviticus contains a dozen uses of this word, all regarding sacrifices. The first usage regarding sacrifices though is found in Exodus, regarding Passover, thus the Passover Lamb.

We are used to the phrase 'without blemish' and if you've studied a bit on Kashrut you will think about tumors being a disqualifying standard and other things like that, these are 'cosmetic' or indications of disease but there is a deeper level that I believe G-d was indicating on these sacrifices.

We know that He wants only certain sacrifices and is adamant about them throughout the Bible; they needed to be perfect, without blemish, but why? Many believe that it has to do with offering him 'the best' but I will state here and now I believe it has to do with offering to him what He Made.

Last weeks parasha of course was Beresheet, in the beginning and we read that when HaShem created the animals and mankind he proclaimed them 'tov'.

When G-d created these living things he created them 'perfect' as only he could do.

All these living things have one thing in common that wasn't known until the last century, DNA.

In today's language we could call it a 'program' like one that is written for a computer. And what happened shortly after creation was the 'corruption' of this program. A 'virus' was introduced by another creation of the L-RDs, the 'sons of G-d'.

What this did was corrupt the DNA of the human race, and not only that but also the animals and possibly at that time the plant life.

Today the same thing is happening, right under our noses, it's called Genetic Engineering, brought to us by certain factions who tell us it is for the betterment of the whole world.

Now getting back to the usage of the word 'Tamim' where else do we find this word?

How about in Ezekiel? 28:13

Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

There's that word 'tamim', he was created perfect, his 'dna' was perfect. Somehow, that we still don't understand today this was corrupted and ever since life was introduced to earth he has sought to also corrupt that as well. .

G-d does not want generically altered sacrifices, this would be an abomination to him to have something offered up that he did not create, but rather a corrupted form of it.

This attack on 'perfection' is what we see today happening at an alarming rate, and it surely is bringing us back to the 'Days of Noach'!

There's much more I'd like to add to this but would like some input first, so what do y'all think about this?

To be succinct, the Sons of God (angels) had a campaign for reasons we can speculate only - except that at least one (leader) was prideful, and convinced others through this.

I do not believe this is who is commonly thought of as "Satan," which is just "adversary," or "Lucifer," whose Hebrew name is Heylel. In Enoch, it was Azazel who led the 200 angel assault to rebel against God.

The purpose, and/or consequence of this assajlt was to pollute the bloodline that was supposed to bring about the Christ.

These entities knew they would be in big trouble, but they did it anywah. And, in Enoch they even made a pact to go all the way with the rebellion.

In the days of Noah, after the world was saturated with hybrids and other genetic modification - even down to the plants and animals. Nothing was genetically organic; all the DNA was corrupted and denatured from their God-given natural state.

We are not the most advanced generation to date. As is said, there is nothing new under the sun. There was literal pollution of DNA through reproduction, and technological genetic modification like today.

Clearly, no one saw a problem with this, and it was probably as accepted as Monsanto/Genetically Modified Organisms, neural interfacing, and genetic alterations are today.

Noah was perfect in his generations because he and sons were the only people who didnt participate in genetic pollution of any kind. Their genetics were the only "pure" genetics that could bring about the Christ.

Noah's perfect generations is a nod to his genetics, not his ability to follow the Law of God.


The same thing is happening today. People just brush it off as conspiracy theory. And, since there are MANY stories about beings from heaven mating with women and bearing [demi]god heroes, these entities won't be doing the exact same tricks they did in the time of Noah.

Many alien "abductions" follow this exact process of genetic manipulation. Most victims report genital mutilation, sperm extraction, and amniocentesis even before humans practiced it in this generation.

These entities will succeed because this time it is clandestine, and protected by incredulity (until it happens personally.) So, percentage wise there will be only "8" people left this time who aren't genetically altered in some way - people who are 100% human.

 

[tatteredsoul]

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This all sounds more like a organic computer type of virus for the organic beings that live on this planet. I have often wondered if this was an ancient experiment let loose on the population, we have no idea of what the people before the flood were capable of.

We are NOT the most technologically or scientifically advanced generation to date. That is a very large and presumptive mistake made in the scientific and general community.

Reality is sinusoidal and/or cosinusoidal. Nothing is new; just a phase shift of difference. That includes technology, genetics, agriculture, space travel, weaponry, wars, racism, rise and fa of empires, earthquakes, etc...

 

[tatteredsoul]

I am a Lab Technician at a large factory. They have introduced a really weak alkaline cleaner to an ultrasonic cleaner. The only problem is there are times where I can detect a stink, and worry that they have bacteria growing. I got this stuff on my body and it spread in my laundry making the whole load stinky. After that experience I understand why some in a laboratory environment take contamination very seriously and wear gloves.

And the Lord said unto Moses, Go, get thee down; for thy people, which thou broughtest out of the land of Egypt, have corrupted themselves: - Exodus 32:7

Was this not like a virus that spread very quickly throughout the whole camp?

A SPIRITUAL virus.

Sin is one of the worse type... Though, I think it is a spiritual cancer (which acts like fungi.)

 

[Lulav]

Ever since I took biology classes and was taught about the virus, I have been wondering if there was some experimentation done that created the virus. It has characteristics that are unlike any other organism.

They are considered both a living and non living things. Living because of their programmed activity, non living because they have no life of their own.

The term virus is derived from Latin word-“virus” means poison. They are enclosed in a protective envelope. They have spikes, which helps them to attach to the host cell.

They are non cellular. They do not respire, do not metabolize and do not grow but they do reproduce. They contain a protein coat called the capsid. They have a nucleic acid core containing DNA or RNA. Ribosomes and enzymes are absent, which are needed for metabolism.

Viruses are inactive when they are present outside of host cells and are active in side of host cells. As they make use of raw materials and enzymes of the host cell to reproduce and causes several infections.

This all sounds more like a organic computer type of virus for the organic beings that live on this planet. I have often wondered if this was an ancient experiment let loose on the population, we have no idea of what the people before the flood were capable of.

WOW! Vis, stunning observation! I would wholeheartedly agree with you that this does indeed sound like an 'ancient genetic alteration' for lack of a better descriptive. It also brings to mind other things that sound similar like things that are considered 'parasites' , I'll have to look into that.

Saying that they do not respire, would also make them superstitious as well taken from the creation account that G-d breathed life into his living things. After the flood we see that the covenant was made between G-d and every living creature.

8 God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying, 9 “As for me, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your offspring after you, 10 and with every living creature that is with you: the birds, the livestock, and every animal of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ship, even every animal of the earth.
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Psalm 105 states

Let everything that has breath praise the L-RD! Praise the L-RD!
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Do you know if their only purpose is parasitic and only attack the host? Meaning there is nothing 'good' about them like good bacteria type of thing.

 

[Lulav]

To be succinct, the Sons of God (angels) had a campaign for reasons we can speculate only - except that at least one (leader) was prideful, and convinced others through this.

I do not believe this is who is commonly thought of as "Satan," which is just "adversary," or "Lucifer," whose Hebrew name is Heylel. In Enoch, it was Azazel who led the 200 angel assault to rebel against God.

The purpose, and/or consequence of this assajlt was to pollute the bloodline that was supposed to bring about the Christ.

These entities knew they would be in big trouble, but they did it anywah. And, in Enoch they even made a pact to go all the way with the rebellion.

In the days of Noah, after the world was saturated with hybrids and other genetic modification - even down to the plants and animals. Nothing was genetically organic; all the DNA was corrupted and denatured from their God-given natural state.

We are not the most advanced generation to date. As is said, there is nothing new under the sun. There was literal pollution of DNA through reproduction, and technological genetic modification like today.

Clearly, no one saw a problem with this, and it was probably as accepted as Monsanto/Genetically Modified Organisms, neural interfacing, and genetic alterations are today.

Noah was perfect in his generations because he and sons were the only people who didnt participate in genetic pollution of any kind. Their genetics were the only "pure" genetics that could bring about the Christ.

Noah's perfect generations is a nod to his genetics, not his ability to follow the Law of God.


The same thing is happening today. People just brush it off as conspiracy theory. And, since there are MANY stories about beings from heaven mating with women and bearing [demi]god heroes, these entities won't be doing the exact same tricks they did in the time of Noah.

Many alien "abductions" follow this exact process of genetic manipulation. Most victims report genital mutilation, sperm extraction, and amniocentesis even before humans practiced it in this generation.

These entities will succeed because this time it is clandestine, and protected by incredulity (until it happens personally.) So, percentage wise there will be only "8" people left this time who aren't genetically altered in some way - people who are 100% human.

Since we have talked about this kind of thing for years on this forum, most of what you wrote is a given understanding among us. I'm glad to see you agree!

I have proposed for years about the genetic corruption but come against much backlash, today however as more and more 'scientific experimentation' reaches the public many are coming around to understanding it that way.

I will say that it was only one who lead the rebellion, and he is called by many names throughout the bible, just as there are many 'gods' named they are are 'him'.

Azazel, Ba'al, Moloach, King of Tyre, Lucifer, HaSatan, The adversary, the anointed Cherub, the snake, the Dragon, the AntiMessiah, the Old Serpent, the Brazen Serpent, the Morning Star, the shining one, etc.

The whole agenda was to reverse the curse in Genesis 3:15.

I am intrigued by this last bit you said:

So, percentage wise there will be only "8" people left this time who aren't genetically altered in some way - people who are 100% human.

By "8" do you mean actual people or perhaps '8' lines? I'd love for you to elaborate. tHanks

 

[tatteredsoul]

Since we have talked about this kind of thing for years on this forum, most of what you wrote is a given understanding among us. I'm glad to see you agree!

Oh, I agree and thoroughly founded in it. Though, "us" is a minority of these forums.

I have proposed for years about the genetic corruption but come against much backlash, today however as more and more 'scientific experimentation' reaches the public many are coming around to understanding it that way.

That bugs me, because think of the time and lives wasted while people just doubted what was in front of their faces. When He says there is a veil that must be lifted, He isn't joking I see. When He says, "...eyes that see, and ears that hear," He isn't being overly confusing or cryptic. He is literally saying what He meant, and what wold be understood on the most basic level.

But, it is nevertheless always good to see veils lifted, and eyes and ears do more than ornament people's faces.

I will say that it was only one who lead the rebellion, and he is called by many names throughout the bible, just as there are many 'gods' named they are are 'him'.

Azazel, Ba'al, Moloach, King of Tyre, Lucifer, HaSatan, The adversary, the anointed Cherub, the snake, the Dragon, the AntiMessiah, the Old Serpent, the Brazen Serpent, the Morning Star, the shining one, etc.

The whole agenda was to reverse the curse in Genesis 3:15.

YES!

Many don't realize the first prophecy of Christ was Genesis 3:15. Considering a chapter and some change was an overview of creation, and we don't get into the rebellion of Adam and Eve until the middle-end of the second chapter, the prophecy of Christ was told to us from the [absolute] beginning, at least exactly when we needed to know it (when we fell.)

Then these entities really began an assault on our possible redemotion.

The more I read the bible - even and especially with my physics background - the more I realize God literally tells the truth, and it isn't nearly as confusing as the world would think it is. The ability to, through language convey a consistent message that is correct, instructional and motivational is in and of itself masterful. But them, to have the strength of that same language actually have divine power to heal, bless, fight and help endure... I don't think we really get how powerful it is.

But, in all the magnificence of the Word, it is still simple enough to convey the desired message to people who may not be theologians, but have eyes and ears for go that do more than ornament their heads.

I am intrigued by this last bit you said:



By "8" do you mean actual people or perhaps '8' lines? I'd love for you to elaborate. tHanks

I actually mean whatever percentage Noah and his family were of the world population before it was destroyed in the flood.

Let's say, for comparison reasons, there were 300,000 people in the world before the flood. Then 8/300,000 = 0.00267% of the world population (a real remnant!)

Now, 0.00267% of the current world population is (0.0000267)(7,400,000,000) = 198,000 people.

So, if the end happened right now (with most of the vials, trumps and seals opened/blown/broken, plagues, pestilences, wars, etc.,) there will be about 200,000 of God''s remnant left to be on earth after the of the world as we know it happens, and the [short] age of antichrist begins.

And, though for certain reservations I take Revelation with a grain of salt, it is interesting the percentage in the antediluvian world yields close to the same number of chosen elect numbered out - the 144,000. I think that number is more a spiritual number, but there isn't a reason it can be both.

144,000 (12,000 from 12 tribes, maybe even spread out over 12 different regins of the earth) + 56,000 (~4700 additional, possibly converted believers per 12,000.) It is amazing how the numbers work out, and it alludes to the Acts days of the disciples, and the prophets.

So, essentially it seems like "8" is a small number compared to today, but given the degeneracy of the world, and the judgments it is a decent sized remnant of elect, and believers that would have been fire tested that God left behind.

Just like 200,000+ would be a lot today.

 

[visionary]

WOW! Vis, stunning observation! I would wholeheartedly agree with you that this does indeed sound like an 'ancient genetic alteration' for lack of a better descriptive. It also brings to mind other things that sound similar like things that are considered 'parasites' , I'll have to look into that.

Saying that they do not respire, would also make them superstitious as well taken from the creation account that G-d breathed life into his living things. After the flood we see that the covenant was made between G-d and every living creature.

8 God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying, 9 “As for me, behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your offspring after you, 10 and with every living creature that is with you: the birds, the livestock, and every animal of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ship, even every animal of the earth.
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Psalm 105 states

Let everything that has breath praise the L-RD! Praise the L-RD!
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Do you know if their only purpose is parasitic and only attack the host? Meaning there is nothing 'good' about them like good bacteria type of thing.

You see it too... Good point about the breath of life from God on all His living creatures.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

so what do y'all think about this?

It is or seems to me almost certain
that all the modern science and tech is being used to deceive
multitudes/ everybody.
i.e. so-called 'dna' findings, etc, is all a great deception,
and it is best not to dwell on such.

 

[visionary]

Yep... and example of this is vaccinations that alter the DNA.. DNA immunization is one of the most straight-forward approaches to elicit an immune reaction against a foreign protein. http://www.creative-biolabs.com/ant...gh-DNA-immunization-genetic-immunization.html