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Anyone with thoughts of unbelief questioning the existence of God? Ive been like this for a whole week and I need help...
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Spiritual instability will cause the seeds of doubt to bloom. To combat this, we must be diligent students of Christ. Just like the disciples, we must follow Christ, learning His teachings and learning His ways if we are to ever become stable in our faith.
To do so, you must know the Word of God and the claims of Christ. To know these things, you must study and discuss the teachings, seeking clear interpretation from knowledgeable teachers. Only when we have done this can we fairly decide whether there is room for doubt. To do otherwise is to allow someone else to decide for you.
James 1:3-8
3. Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
5. If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6. But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7. For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
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I think this is fairly common for those Christians who battle OCD. OCD tolerates little uncertainty. So yeah, I think many of us have struggled here.
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Kay thanks for your response. I believe you have gone through this as well as some other people. They have gone through exactly the same thing. I am glad I am not alone. So kay did you ever take meds?
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Of course, even people without OCD think about this. Also, I wouldn't call it unbelief -- in fact, learning to defend the faith intellectually can be a great thing.
As far as giving you some advice, I guess that the most important thing is to remember that your own mind is limited, and that you're not going to understand everything perfectly. That's where faith comes in. Even atheists have faith in their own belief system. I believe that the leap to faith is much easier to make within the framework of Christianity.
Oh, one more thing -- when you have a genuine question (not just OCD doubts) about these things, I've found carm.org to be a good resource. They have an Apologetics section all about defending the faith, and they have good answers.
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Yes, and I still take Paxil but am trying to wean off of it if I think I can without problems.
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This is just too much sometimes...I start to think what if God does not exist and then I actually agree he does. I get to a point oof saying don't think about it and it helps but then I get this thought that If I were to do that it would be like me giving up on Gpd and I do not like that idea. It seems this is a cycle that only a miracle can break.
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I don't know if I ever doubted the existence to a great extent, but I had a lot of questions about who God was and the His nature. I struggled with a lot of Biblical questions and it got me so stuck in the endless cycle of worrying/stressing and all of that that I actually backed off from pursuing a deeper relationship to the point of backsliding.
I look back at that time and I believe God understood where I was at and He has forgiven me for the backsliding. It was a very heart-wrenching experience, so I feel for you.
I look back at that time and I believe God understood where I was at and He has forgiven me for the backsliding. It was a very heart-wrenching experience, so I feel for you.
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Hello Lindros, I have been going through it for over a year and it got to the point that I had to call the crisis prevention hotline because I was suicidal. Im still going through it now, but im finally on meds.
With OCD even a small irrational doubt can be inflamed a million fold. I have accumulated alot of knowledge, and not one religion has the incredible historicity that our bible does. Nothing comes even remotely close. Look at the messianic prophecies written 500 years before. They even predicted that he would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver (wow), and the money would be used to build a graveyard on the potters field. No other religion can even come close to the bible. Jesus left us all of these things, but you are not alone my friend. John Bunyan the famous preacher and christian writer went through these agonizing thoughts, as well as Martin Luther and Mother Teresa. The pain is because you love the lord so much. Your faith is actually growing during this time. Whatever you do my friend, dont ever give up. I know it seems like very little consolation to us but I truely believe that we will both get through the wilderness.
Imagine how much more we will rejoice in our Lord when we do
It will be party time
Our ocd tends to keep us focus on the physical world and we tend to get away from the spiritual world of prayer etc etc. Believe me I know the pain of these thoughts.
I sent you a pm my friend
God bless you, I have put you on my prayer list
With OCD even a small irrational doubt can be inflamed a million fold. I have accumulated alot of knowledge, and not one religion has the incredible historicity that our bible does. Nothing comes even remotely close. Look at the messianic prophecies written 500 years before. They even predicted that he would be betrayed for 30 pieces of silver (wow), and the money would be used to build a graveyard on the potters field. No other religion can even come close to the bible. Jesus left us all of these things, but you are not alone my friend. John Bunyan the famous preacher and christian writer went through these agonizing thoughts, as well as Martin Luther and Mother Teresa. The pain is because you love the lord so much. Your faith is actually growing during this time. Whatever you do my friend, dont ever give up. I know it seems like very little consolation to us but I truely believe that we will both get through the wilderness.
Imagine how much more we will rejoice in our Lord when we do
It will be party time
Our ocd tends to keep us focus on the physical world and we tend to get away from the spiritual world of prayer etc etc. Believe me I know the pain of these thoughts.
I sent you a pm my friend
God bless you, I have put you on my prayer list
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I am also experiencing this. Thank you for letting me know that I am not alone in these terrible thoughts. I never doubted the existence of God until my OCD kicked in when I was about 19 and I heard someone say that they did not believe in God. I always use this fact to try to prove to myself that I do believe in God. But, it doesn't always work. One thing I read about OCD is that we are always trying to prove something that can't be proven. For example, I can't prove that my husband really loves me and I doubt that sometimes. OCD stinks, but I know that I am still truly blessed in my life.
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Thanks Christian-Catholic it helps to know I am not alone. Like you and veryscared I also believe that these thoughts do have to do with some sort of disorder not necesarrly spiritual attacks (although I believe is that for the most part). Veryscared you pointed out something very true and that is that we REALLY cannot prove God exists by the form of logic, in fact we can't prove anything is real if we think about it. And that is were faith comes in. My soul longs for the Lord and it keeps on fighting for that peace. It seems that I am not fighting to believe rather I am fighting to not become an unbeliever. I have come to the conclusion that no matter what I put in my head I will never really cometo a definate answer. What I do know is that If I just rest upon God and block all my thoughts I feel peace. It seems that I can't suddenly unbelieve something so real...somethign so dramatic like Jesus. Not only that but also the things that have happened in my life its just so much to think that it was all just an illusion. I am starting to believe that I always had faith even in those times that I though I didnt, the reason I was scared was because I did not want to "unbelieve but really I always had faith or else I wouldnt be fighting for my life.
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SirAnthony , I was engaged in appologetics when this first happened to me, but I never recognized that I had OCD even before that and I was under a tremendous amount of stress. With OCD u must have 100% proof. I have studied all of the great christian appologists. Lane craig is awesome but the one who stood out to me intellectually, emotionally as well as spiritually is Doctor Ravi Zacharias. If I said he is awesome it wouldnt be doing him justice. My thoughts were so extreme that that I felt a numbness when I was praying, and the thoughts of unbelief were pounding into me as if someone were trying to change me. It was so bad that I was at the point of suicide. You can all go through my thread and see this.
I felt so alone and so hopeless, as if I was the only one on this earth going through this. It probably is OCD but I know also that Satan is always waiting for a weak point to try to get in, but look at us all in here, that fact that we are fighting this means our faith is stronger then it ever was before. Can you imagine how happy we will be when we get through this and how much more we will love the lord when we pass through all of this?
Maybe we were given a gift here folks, I know it doesnt seem like a consolation even to me right now because Im still going through the agony even now, but Christ created us to be fighters.
I felt so alone and so hopeless, as if I was the only one on this earth going through this. It probably is OCD but I know also that Satan is always waiting for a weak point to try to get in, but look at us all in here, that fact that we are fighting this means our faith is stronger then it ever was before. Can you imagine how happy we will be when we get through this and how much more we will love the lord when we pass through all of this?
Maybe we were given a gift here folks
, I know it doesnt seem like a consolation even to me right now because Im still going through the agony even now, but Christ created us to be fighters.
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Lindros, It looks like the lord has guided you towards that little light at the end of the tunnel, and that is a great first step
There is compelling evidence for God but if God gave us 100% evidence (instead of 99%) then there would be no room for faith, and if there is no faith it is impossible to truely love him. Heis an amazing God
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Veryscared, you hit the nail perfectly on the head. This is what OCD is the master of. It focuses on any even tiny doubt and magnifies it a million fold. It then creates the environment where the thoughts feel like they are really your own, and we believe that the only way to fight it is to keep researching or reassuring ourselves in some way. The ocd then feeds on this cycle and it perpetuates itself. Its pure agony.
Meds do help a bit but finding the right therapist is essential, im still going through that search myself
If you folks ever need to talk feel free to send me a pm.
In the meantime I have put you all on my prayer list.
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Guys I might be wrong but I have a srong speculation that we are in the end of times...and Jesus is coming SOON. Why? Well I mean just look at the news and look at us. It seems that the enemy is pulling everything from its arsenal to keep any unbelievers where they are and any Christians crippled.
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Lindros, the thing is Jesus specifically told us that when he comes it will be a total surprise and we will not know that hour, but the way the world is these days,it might not come as a total shock.
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I have OCD and lately I've been questioning my faith too.I've always believed in Jesus,God,and the Holy Ghost.I feel like something has happened to me,I feel like I've lost my mind.I've even been baptized in the Holy Ghost.Everyone please pray for me
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I think you need to be blessed to remind you that God is here. Just remember all good comes from God. Anything that makes you feel sad is the works of the devil. It's a spiritual battle you gotta keep finding blessings and pray for comfort. Maybe there's something that you have right now like maybe you have a favorite CD you like to listen to that makes you feel better. The thing is that you gotta keep enjoying the blessings that God blessed you with. That's probably the best way to feel his presence. I guess when so much depressing feelings builds up enough that you start to doubt God.
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