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Ukraine Might Still Loose the War
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<blockquote data-quote="The Barbarian" data-source="post: 77286566" data-attributes="member: 7989"><p>Normally, when an army is losing territory, as the Russian army is doing, we call that "losing." Even Russian commanders like Prigozhian are admitting it. Pro-Russian bloggers are admitting it, and are screaming about the incompetence of Russian military leaders. And hundreds of thousands of young Russian men have voted with their feet:</p><p></p><p><span style="color: rgb(243, 121, 52)">In the seven days since Russian President Vladimir Putin "announced the '<a href="https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1016848/putin-announces-partial-mobilization-of-300000-russian-reservists-to" target="_blank">partial mobilization</a>' there has been a <a href="https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1016962/putin-ramps-up-conscription-cracks-down-on-dissent" target="_blank">considerable exodus</a> of Russians <a href="https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1016881/russians-are-googling-extreme-ways-to-avoid-fighting-in-ukraine-stephen" target="_blank">seeking to evade</a> call-up," <a href="https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1575351579426922496?s=20&t=iGF3xLkhqA566ljeKWjLVw" target="_blank">Britain's Ministry of Defense said</a> in its early Thursday intelligence assessment. The exact number of fleeing Russians is "unclear," but "it likely exceeds the size of the total invasion force Russia fielded in February 2022."</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(243, 121, 52)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(243, 121, 52)">Putin's initial invasion force included about 130,000 troops. More than 197,000 Russians have already fled through land borders to Georgia, Finland, Kazakhstan, and Mongolia since Sept. 21, <a href="https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-28" target="_blank"><em>The Associated Press</em> reported</a> Wednesday, and <a href="https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/29/europe/georgia-russians-fleeing-intl" target="_blank">CNN says</a> 10,000 are escaping into Georgia at one border crossing each day.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255)">[URL unfurl="true"]https://news.yahoo.com/more-russian-men-now-fled-101919295.html[/URL]</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"></span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255)">Maybe it's time you faced reality. Your team is losing. Badly. Ukraine is winning, and they know it.</span></p><p><span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255)"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Barbarian, post: 77286566, member: 7989"] Normally, when an army is losing territory, as the Russian army is doing, we call that "losing." Even Russian commanders like Prigozhian are admitting it. Pro-Russian bloggers are admitting it, and are screaming about the incompetence of Russian military leaders. And hundreds of thousands of young Russian men have voted with their feet: [COLOR=rgb(243, 121, 52)]In the seven days since Russian President Vladimir Putin "announced the '[URL='https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1016848/putin-announces-partial-mobilization-of-300000-russian-reservists-to']partial mobilization[/URL]' there has been a [URL='https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1016962/putin-ramps-up-conscription-cracks-down-on-dissent']considerable exodus[/URL] of Russians [URL='https://theweek.com/russo-ukrainian-war/1016881/russians-are-googling-extreme-ways-to-avoid-fighting-in-ukraine-stephen']seeking to evade[/URL] call-up," [URL='https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1575351579426922496?s=20&t=iGF3xLkhqA566ljeKWjLVw']Britain's Ministry of Defense said[/URL] in its early Thursday intelligence assessment. The exact number of fleeing Russians is "unclear," but "it likely exceeds the size of the total invasion force Russia fielded in February 2022." Putin's initial invasion force included about 130,000 troops. More than 197,000 Russians have already fled through land borders to Georgia, Finland, Kazakhstan, and Mongolia since Sept. 21, [URL='https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-september-28'][I]The Associated Press[/I] reported[/URL] Wednesday, and [URL='https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/29/europe/georgia-russians-fleeing-intl']CNN says[/URL] 10,000 are escaping into Georgia at one border crossing each day.[/COLOR] [COLOR=rgb(255, 255, 255)][URL unfurl="true"]https://news.yahoo.com/more-russian-men-now-fled-101919295.html[/URL] Maybe it's time you faced reality. Your team is losing. Badly. Ukraine is winning, and they know it. [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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