We Disagree, It's 100% A "Proxy" , Conflict, War, Military Exercise, or whatever name you want to put on it, and the US has played a major roll in its support, funding, and supply of arms, and the major road block to peace talksthat doesn't mean this is a proxy war instigated by the west.
I'm not sure we disagree. The definition of a proxy war you provided showed you misunderstood the term. Now you say it's whatever I want to call it, but to me precise words matter, and I want to call it what it is so that there are no misunderstandings. After all it can only end in a contradiction of reasoning when we reason upon a falsehood. You could just say America supports Ukraine with arms and funding and you would be fine, and we could agree. But to say it's a proxy war implies the U.S. instigated the military action, and that is clearly disproven by all the facts.We Disagree, It's 100% A "Proxy" , Conflict, War, Military Exercise, or whatever name you want to put on it, and the US has played a major roll in its support, funding, and supply of arms, and the major road block to peace talks
I haven't changed my position, it's a "Proxy War" your arguing over a definition for the sake of believing your rightThe definition of a proxy war you provided show you disagree with yourself.
Nice try. But every day, Putin attacks civilians in Ukraine. He's killed thousands of them. And he's kidnapped Ukrainian children and deported them to camps in Russia. For which he is now officially a war criminal:Yes Zelensky violated the Minsk Agreements in killing innocent Russian speaking civilians in the Donbas, and Putin's Russia came to their aid
Ah, but it appears that Putin has now made it pretty much a done deal. Just as Putin's reckless military aggression drove Finland and Sweden to join NATO, it appears that Ukraine will now become a NATO member as well.Ukraine isn't a NATO member, and NATO has no obligation to support Ukraine "None"
The Ukrainians disagree with you. They are enthusiastically beating the invaders. Speaking of cannon fodder...Fact Is, the US and Western World is funding it, and keeping it going for their individual agendas, using Ukranian citizens as pawns in cannon fodder, to achieve desired outcomes
Sounds like western MSM propagandahe's kidnapped Ukrainian children and deported them to camps in Russia.
Not only did he make himself a fugitive from justice, his tactics backfired. teadof intimidating the Ukrainians, it infuriated them. Stupid move, Vlad.
Sounds like western MSM propaganda
You mean Vladimir Putin has relocated Russian speaking children, away from the Russian held war zones to a safe place, to protect them from the harms of war
Pretty hard for Ukraine to join NATO when it will be a Russian state by the end of this year, when Zelensky and his criminal brigades fly off in helicopters to their private island compounds to enjoy in luxury the $Billions$ of US Taxpayer dollars that were funneled into offshore bank accounts without accountabilityAh, but it appears that Putin has now made it pretty much a done deal. Just as Putin's reckless military aggression drove Finland and Sweden to join NATO, it appears that Ukraine will now become a NATO member as well.
Putin's recklessness turned out to have caused the very thing that frightened him the most.
Putin's work in the Gorbachev and Yeltsin period seems to be praiseworthy. I think he got drawn into the kleptocrat system and once on top of it, could not get out. Getting increasingly isolated from the mass of Russian citizens, and eyeing a chance to restore the Russian Empire, he just seems to have lost all perspective and reason.Just a random comment on Putin. I have always understood him to be cruel but until this war, he actually did some good for Russia. Russia was falling apart when Putin filled a power vacuum and the homicide rates were skyrocketing. He brought that down & brought needed better law & order back. When Putin took over in 1999, the homicide rate was 26.2 per 100,000 people and by 2020, it dropped to 7.33 per 100,000 people.
You guys were saying that last year. What happened?Pretty hard for Ukraine to join NATO when it will be a Russian state by the end of this year,
Well, I know I'm right and I'm using the very definition you gave. The U.S. did not instigate the military actions happening in Ukraine.I haven't changed my position, it's a "Proxy War" your arguing over a definition for the sake of believing your right
Well let's call it what it is, a militarily waged war between Ukraine and Russia that began when Russia invaded Ukraine.Call it what you want a, war, military exercise, conflict, etc,
It looks to me like Putin brought the cannons to Ukraine with an agenda to achieve "desired outcomes".Fact Is, the US and Western World is funding it, and keeping it going for their individual agendas, using Ukranian citizens as pawns in cannon fodder, to achieve desired outcomes
Pretty hard for Ukraine to join NATO when it will be a Russian state by the end of this year, when Zelensky and his criminal brigades fly off in helicopters to their private island compounds to enjoy in luxury the $Billions$ of US Taxpayer dollars that were funneled into offshore bank accounts without accountability
A large part in $Billions$ is going directly to the Ukranian government under the title of "Ukranian Aid" without financial accountanility and has nothing to do with military arms or ammunition supplied "Fact" $Billions$The vast majority of the "billions" going to Ukraine are in direct transfer of military hardware. It's kind of difficult to funnel 500 rounds of M864 155-mm ammunition into a bank account.
I Agree, Putin brought cannons to liberate Russian speaking people in the Donbas from Zelensky's genocide, that was in direct violation of the internationally recognized Minsk AgreementsIt looks to me like Putin brought the cannons to Ukraine with an agenda to achieve "desired outcomes".
That word "genocide" once had real meaning. It has been cheapened in our modern society.No trick as you claim it was Russia who came to the aid of the Russian speaking people in the Donbas region, who were being killed by Zelensky in genocide, in violation of the internationally recognized Minsk Agreements
Thanks for your reply. I’m a bit confused by the censorship.Most military analysts that don't take their pay packets in Rubles. Me. Or frankly anyone who watched them overextend themselves in teh first few weeks and then get pushed back when they didn't capture Kyiv.
He had a plan. A quick strike victory against an unprepared foe. It worked in Crimea in 2014. It failed in Ukraine in 2022.
LOLOLOLOL
Russia wishes it was on the Ukrainian "losing trajectory".
More than (1)That word "genocide" once had real meaning. It has been cheapened in our modern society.
So how many millions of Russian speaking people were killed in the Donbas region prior to the Russian Invasion?
Enlighten me.
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