UK Burka Ban/Should We Do The Same?

[The_Laconic_Dead]

Mahbuba Hussain, a domestic violence advocate, added: "I feel that comments like these come across as extremely Islamophobic as they are attributing criminal behaviour to an item of clothing that is a symbol of worship.

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Well I'm glad this muslim advocate for domestic violence is crying islamofauxbia, the real issue is the women being either forced into wearing this, or being brainwashed into thinking it liberates them to dress like a ghost at Halloween.

 

[PsychoeDial]

I remember a court case that was to occur in Florida I think it was. A Muslim woman demanded the right to keep her full face hijab on for her state license photo.

Example.

The question about identification at a traffic stop arose and her suggestion was a female officer be dispatched so she could show her face to another female and in keeping with Sharia tradition.

She was denied her petition to have her license photo with the full face hijab.
And rightly so. Religious freedom is a right. Driving is a privilege.

I don't think we can expect to ban the hijab and not see trouble erupt over it. Likely there will be those who will then pursue all manner of religious adornment being banned in the name of equality or being equal to the law that would ban Muslim women's attire in that respect.

 

[AirPo]

I remember a court case that was to occur in Florida I think it was. A Muslim woman demanded the right to keep her full face hijab on for her state license photo.

Example.

The question about identification at a traffic stop arose and her suggestion was a female officer be dispatched so she could show her face to another female and in keeping with Sharia tradition.

She was denied her petition to have her license photo with the full face hijab.
And rightly so. Religious freedom is a right. Driving is a privilege.

I don't think we can expect to ban the hijab and not see trouble erupt over it. Likely there will be those who will then pursue all manner of religious adornment being banned in the name of equality or being equal to the law that would ban Muslim women's attire in that respect.

I thought that case went the other way.

 

[PsychoeDial]

I thought that case went the other way.

No, the woman lost her case. Each state can make their own laws. Florida denied her petition.
The niqab full face veil would be disallowed in passport photos also. And it stands as reasonable in both cases.

Face Veils (Niqab) http://islam.about.com/od/dress/f/hijab_id.htm
Is it allowed to wear Islamic clothing in an ID photo?
With regard to face veils, virtually all photo IDs require the face to be shown for identity purposes. In a 2002-03 case in Florida, a Muslim woman petitioned for the right to wear a face veil in a driver license photo, in accordance with her interpretation of the Islamic dress requirements. According to BBC News and other sources, the Florida court denied her claim. The judge supported the DMV's opinion that if she wanted a driver license, a brief removal of her face veil for an identity photograph was not an unreasonable request and therefore did not violate her religious rights. Similar cases have resulted in the same ruling in other states. A fully veiled woman may be able to request that the photo be taken in private, if the office setup allows.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

You would think banning articles of clothing would run counter to the idea of a free country. You would also think banning a religious garment would also run counter to the idea of religious freedom.

 

[rjs330]

I believe that freedom of religion means just that. I don't think we have a right to out and out ban it. However for identification purposes such as drivers licenses they should not be allowed. Now that said male police officers should not be allowed to look under the veil. They need a female for that. Also they need to accept the other possible consequences that if a female wearing one commits a crime then all females wearing them are subject to being detained and questioned.

 

[rambot]

Whether they are forced into it or forced out of it, it is WRONG.

Quick question; I'm pretty sure France is the only country that has banned the burqa right? Outside of the London train bombings have their been any large scale attacks on countries outside of France but in the EU?

 

[cow451]

You would think banning articles of clothing would run counter to the idea of a free country. You would also think banning a religious garment would also run counter to the idea of religious freedom.

That Constitution can be troubling to the Muslim-haters.

 

[JustOneWay]

Should we also ban a Nun's Habit?

 

[Desk trauma]

Well I'm glad this muslim advocate for domestic violence is crying islamofauxbia, the real issue is the women being either forced into wearing this, or being brainwashed into thinking it liberates them to dress like a ghost at Halloween.

What would you have the state do about those two issues and how would you square those actions with first amendment rights?

 

[cow451]

Should we also ban a Nun's Habit?

 

[Tallguy88]

I could see banning it for certain purposes (ID, passport, etc) or certain places where it could pose a security risk. But not in general, no.

 

[JustOneWay]

That is freaking me out!

I loved watching that show

 

[JustOneWay]

I could see banning it for certain purposes (ID, passport, etc) or certain places where it could pose a security risk. But not in general, no.

Yes, that is also my opinion.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Should we also ban a Nun's Habit?

I don't see how we shouldn't. You know... for safety concerns.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

That Constitution can be troubling to the Muslim-haters.

That durn First Amendment!

 

[Tallguy88]

I don't see how we shouldn't. You know... for safety concerns.

The Habit doesn't cover the face.

 

[JustOneWay]

I don't see how we shouldn't. You know... for safety concerns.

The real issue is not the religious clothing, it is the covering of the face. A nun's outfit does not cover the face. I would not see either styles banned, but one should not be covering the face unless it is Halloween.

 

[AirPo]

Anyone ever see that fake muslim dating site? It was ten images of "women" in burkas with typical dating profiles.

 

[Oafman]

UK Burka Ban

There's no such thing.

A candidate for Police Commissioner for the county of Bedfordshire has made it an election promise. She's standing on behalf of the English Democrats, who (don't be fooled by the name) are a very small group of ultra right wing anti-foreigner campaigners. Incidentally, before standing for this position she created a group called Mothers Against Radical Islam and Shariah.

Banning the burka is about one million miles beyond the remit of a regional Police Commissioner. There's no way she could do it, even if she gets more than a handful of votes in the election, which is itself pretty unlikely.

If you want to discuss Burka Bans, look to France. Such a ban would not be popular in Britain, we're a very tolerant bunch.