UC Berkeley vs God

[tov]

UC Berkeley is taking the offence against creation science. The staff at the university's Museum of Paleontology have created a new Web site to helpteachers who are not able to cope with the growing numbers of Christians and Theists who have scientific knowledge that refutes the notion the natural selection, mutation, and random blind chance can account for life on earth. The $400,000 website (www.evolution.berkeley.edu), "grew out of a conference that the museum hosted four years ago at which representatives from virtually every national scientific and education organization gathered to consider the growing pressures against evolution curricula." The website was developed with a 3 year grant from the National Science Foundation, and more money ($380,000 from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute) is on the way. The bottom line is that no matter how much money they throw at it, all they really need to do is find The Missing Link.

http://phenomi.net/missinglink/index.html

 

[ThePhoenix]

UC Berkeley is taking the offence against creation science. The staff at the university's Museum of Paleontology have created a new Web site to helpteachers who are not able to cope with the growing numbers of Christians and Theists who have scientific knowledge that refutes the notion the natural selection, mutation, and random blind chance can account for life on earth. The $400,000 website (www.evolution.berkeley.edu), "grew out of a conference that the museum hosted four years ago at which representatives from virtually every national scientific and education organization gathered to consider the growing pressures against evolution curricula." The website was developed with a 3 year grant from the National Science Foundation, and more money ($380,000 from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute) is on the way. The bottom line is that no matter how much money they throw at it, all they really need to do is find The Missing Link.

http://phenomi.net/missinglink/index.html

Um yeah, the missing link is a dead issue to everyone but people who can't read. Pray tell, where is the gap in the following:

UC Berkeley is not argueing against God, they're argueing against flawed rhetoric, though I'm glad I don't go to a school who wastes that much money reestablishing the falsification of such an obviously false theory.

 

[lucaspa]

The bottom line is that no matter how much money they throw at it, all they really need to do is find The Missing Link.

That's been done. There are lots of "missing links" connecting our species -- H. sapiens -- to H. erectus and erectus to habilis and habilis to A. afarensis.

Here's a list I have compiled from my very superficial reading of the literature:
Afarensis to habilis: OH 24 is in between A. afarensis and habilis
B Asfaw, T White, O Lovejoy, B Latimer, S Simpson, G Suwa, Australopithecus garhi: a new species of early hominid from Ethiopia. Science 284: 622-629, 1999. All individuals are intermediate between A. afarensis and H. habilis.

Habilis to erectus:
Oldovai: Bed I has Habilis at bottom, then fossils with perfect mixture of characteristics of habilis and erectus, and erectus at top. At bottom of Bed II (top of Bed I) have fossils resemble H. erectus but brain case smaller than later H. erectus that lies immediately above them. pg 81
OH 13, 14 was classified by some anthropologists as H. habilis but others as early H. erectus. 650 cc
D2700 from Dmasi has features of both hablis and erectus. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/homs/d2700.html
Koobi Fora: Another succession with several habilis up to 2 Mya, then transitionals, and then erectus at 1.5 Mya.

Erectus to sapiens: Omo valley. Omo-2 "remarkable mixture of Homo erectus and Homo sapiens characteristics" pg. 70.
Omo-1: another mix of erectus and sapiens
Omo Valley, Ethiopia: ~ 500,000 ya. mixture erectus and sapiens features
Sale in Morrocco: skull discovered in 1971, ~300,000 ya. also shows erectus and sapiens features.
Broken Hill skull: another skull with mixtures of erectus and sapiens features

Tautavel, 200Kya: large brow ridges and small cranium but rest of face looks like H. sapiens.
"We shall see the problem of drawing up a dividing line between Homo erectus and Homo sapiens is not easy." pg 65.
Ngaloba Beds of Laetoli, 120 Kya: ~1200 cc and suite of archaic (erectus) features.
Guamde in Turkana Basin, 180 Kya: more modern features than Ngaloba but in-between erectus and sapiens.
Skhul, Israel "posed a puzzle to paleoanthropologists, appearing to be almost but not quite modern humans"
Skhul and Jebel Qafza caves: "robust" H. sapiens at 120 Kya that have brow ridges like erectus but brain case like sapiens.
Bouri http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/06/0611_030611_earliesthuman.html
http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/06/11_bones-background.shtml
actual paper: http://www.nature.com/cgi-taf/DynaPage.taf?file=/nature/journal/v423/n6941/full/nature01669_r.html
Vertesszollos, 400 Kya. Teeth like H. erectus but occipital bone like H. sapiens. brain ~ 1300 cc

 

[Biarien]

YEC-ism is not equal to God.

YEC-ism is a doctrine. God is not.

I sincerely hope you see that.

 

[Bushido216]

UC Berkeley is taking the offence against creation science. The staff at the university's Museum of Paleontology have created a new Web site to helpteachers who are not able to cope with the growing numbers of Christians and Theists who have scientific knowledge that refutes the notion the natural selection, mutation, and random blind chance can account for life on earth. The $400,000 website (www.evolution.berkeley.edu), "grew out of a conference that the museum hosted four years ago at which representatives from virtually every national scientific and education organization gathered to consider the growing pressures against evolution curricula." The website was developed with a 3 year grant from the National Science Foundation, and more money ($380,000 from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute) is on the way. The bottom line is that no matter how much money they throw at it, all they really need to do is find The Missing Link.

http://phenomi.net/missinglink/index.html

Excellent website! I added it to my favourites. Thankyou for the link.

 

[Biarien]

Which site? They're fairly opposed in the nature of their content.

Oh, and for future reference, the Berkeley site is this:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu

UC Berkeley very rarely uses the www prefix for its sites.

 

[ThePhoenix]

I give their sites bonus props for taking political correctness to an anal-retentive level btw. I think parts actually physically hurt me. I will continue to use creature and kind, thank you very much UCBerkley.

 

[Biarien]

Yes, Cal is a bit hyper-PC at times. Most of the time, really. A guy on my floor wants to hold a bet that no one will stand in the plaza for 15 minutes holding a sign that says "End Women's Suffrage."

 

[lucaspa]

I like the cartoons. The only thing I don't like is that they don't treat YEC as a scientific theory. They treat it as pure religion. IOW, they don't separate creation from creationism. I think this separation would help teachers out a lot more.

 

[Bulldog]

I like the cartoons. The only thing I don't like is that they don't treat YEC as a scientific theory. They treat it as pure religion. IOW, they don't separate creation from creationism. I think this separation would help teachers out a lot more.

I agree. Creation is just that God created while creationism is the falsified theory about how He created.

 

[ThePhoenix]

I like the cartoons. The only thing I don't like is that they don't treat YEC as a scientific theory. They treat it as pure religion. IOW, they don't separate creation from creationism. I think this separation would help teachers out a lot more.

We're talking about UC Berkley here. Fat chance of that

 

[Bushido216]

I agree. Creation is just that God created while creationism is the falsified theory about how He created.

Precisely!

/me hands Bulldog a $5 under the table.

 

[Bulldog]

Precisely!

* Bushido216 hands Bulldog a $5 under the table.

Too bad the money's not literal.


Sorry, dry attempt at humor...

 

[troodon]

Yes, Cal is a bit hyper-PC at times. Most of the time, really. A guy on my floor wants to hold a bet that no one will stand in the plaza for 15 minutes holding a sign that says "End Women's Suffrage."

I'll do it! It'll be at Davis though

Nah, nevermind. I'll get beatup.

 

[Biarien]

I don't even know if I could live out the 15 minutes here...

 

[brewmama]

Ha! That's pretty funny considering Philip Johnson is from Berkeley.

 

[Biarien]

Who is Philip Johnson...?

 

[brewmama]

He is the founder of the intelligent design movement- the group that is giving evolutionists the most difficulty and rocking their secure little boat...

 

[Bushido216]

The only reason he's rocking anyone's boat is because it's people like him that try to push their **** into schools.

 

[Biarien]

He is the founder of the intelligent design movement- the group that is giving evolutionists the most difficulty and rocking their secure little boat...

Ah, ok. Thanks for clarifying.