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Two Excellent Bibles

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Some time back, I promised that I would post a comparison of the ESV Reformation Study Bible and the Spirit of the Reformation Study Bible, once I had a chance to review my new copies of each. This is that post.

The bottom line: Both are excellent resources, and you will not go wrong no matter which one you choose. I am actually conflicted as to which I prefer, so I will tell you the differences and let you decide for yourself.

A note: Both of these Bibles are based on the New Geneva Study Bible, and therefore they are highly similar in many ways.


TRANSLATION: The RSB is in ESV of course, and the SotR is in the NIV. This isn't a place for a full discussion of translations -- there is plenty of that around these boards. I will leave it at saying that on the spectrum between literal and paraphrase, ESV is towards the literal with a "word for word" translation philosophy, and NIV is near the middle with a "thought for thought" translation philosophy.

OVERALL TONE: Both are intelligent works in the Reformed tradition. They presume an intelligent but not an expert reader. In some way I can't define, I identify the RSB as the slightly more "scholarly" one, and the SotR as the one that provides a little more theological help... but they are very similar in tone.

SIZE, LAYOUT, AND PRINT: The RSB is in standard two-column form; the SotR is in one-column form. The print size is about the same, and in overall size, my two hardbacks are comparable.

FOOTNOTES: Both have almost identical footnotes, presumably because of their mutual dependence on the NGSB. Occasionally you will find their word-choices slightly differ, but expect the same footnotes. They are concise yet helpful, providing historical background and theological insight. The difference you will find is that the SotR also includes references to relevant passages from various Reformed confessions, which are included in an appendix.

BOOK INTRODUCTIONS: Very similar. I think these must also be taken from a common source (look at me doing textual criticism :D). Both provide information on authorship, setting, and theological emphases, and both provide similar outlines to the books.

GENRE INTRODUCTION: For lack of a better term. Each provides introductions to the different types of biblical literature (such as epistles, wisdom literature, etc.) If forced to state a difference, I would say that the RSB gives slightly more historical context, and the SotR gives slightly more thematic emphasis, but please remember that I am splitting hairs between two very similar resources.

OTHER HELPS: Again, both have excellent in-text charts and maps, with the SotR having slightly more. In addition, the SotR has a very nice appendix of color maps, and the RSB does not. The SotR also includes major Reformed confessions in an appendix, which the RSB does not. Both have about the same number of in-text articles on similar theological topics, and from what I have read so far, they are both good. Like I said about the general tone, I tend to think that the RSB is a bit more scholarly, but that may merely be a personal bias due to my admiration of R.C. Sproul. ;)


In conclusion: No absolute recommendation here; they are too similar and too good to make a clear value judgment. I recommend that you consider translation carefully, as that is by far the biggest difference between the two. If you are very visual and like maps, you would be happy with either but slightly more so, perhaps, with the SotR. If you like the two-column layout, you would feel more comfortable with the RSB. There are slightly more helps in the SotR, including the confessions in the back. I feel like the RSB is slightly more academic. But, in my mind, the differences are so very minor that the best way to choose would be based on translation, and either way you will have an excellent study bible.


Happy Reading!
 

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I have been enjoying the ESV lately. I have the ESV plug-in for eSword. I think I prefer KJV (and NKJV), but sometimes it just does not quite make sense. I have found the ESV to be a good reference in those cases.

I really like my New Geneva Study Bible, though. NKJV is great. :)
 
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Knight said:
Thank you for the most middle-of-the-road evaluation I've ever read. :) :D :)


I know, seriously! :D I was sitting at my kitchen table with both of these bibles open, comparing them side-by-side, and hoping to come up with a significant difference. Seriously, I was thinking, "c'mon, Mac, ya gotta come up with SOMETHING here!" But all I could do was give the breakdown of features and hope that it helped someone. :sorry:
 
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Macrina said:
I know, seriously! :D I was sitting at my kitchen table with both of these bibles open, comparing them side-by-side, and hoping to come up with a significant difference. Seriously, I was thinking, "c'mon, Mac, ya gotta come up with SOMETHING here!" But all I could do was give the breakdown of features and hope that it helped someone. :sorry:

It did.

I have the SOTR so I'm not in a big hurry to get the RSB. I also have a separate copy of the ESV that I read mostly from.
 
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well, I'm glad you posted the "recommendation" (such as it was). LOL!

It sounds like my best bet is to get the SoTR. Even though I'm not a huge fan of the NIV, it is what our pastors teach out of, and I really like the idea that the SoTR has the major Reformed confessions. Even though I am not reformed, I would like to have them to read so I can understand my reformed bro's and sis's more. I know that I would never go out and get them otherwise.....(I'm lazy like that!)

So thanks Mac! It has definately made up my mind. Coffeeswirls was an awful lot of help in the decision also!

Now to find it........
 
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I'm not sure what I did, but you're welcome. I actually bit the bullet and got both. One for personal use and one for church (NIV). I was eager to see what Macrina had to say about them, so I didn't add anything. If there were a parallel Bible (including all of the non-repeated notes) it would be great.
 
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Macrina said:
Some time back, I promised that I would post a comparison of the ESV Reformation Study Bible and the Spirit of the Reformation Study Bible, once I had a chance to review my new copies of each. This is that post.

The bottom line: Both are excellent resources, and you will not go wrong no matter which one you choose. I am actually conflicted as to which I prefer, so I will tell you the differences and let you decide for yourself.

A note: Both of these Bibles are based on the New Geneva Study Bible, and therefore they are highly similar in many ways.


TRANSLATION: The RSB is in ESV of course, and the SotR is in the NIV. This isn't a place for a full discussion of translations -- there is plenty of that around these boards. I will leave it at saying that on the spectrum between literal and paraphrase, ESV is towards the literal with a "word for word" translation philosophy, and NIV is near the middle with a "thought for thought" translation philosophy.

OVERALL TONE: Both are intelligent works in the Reformed tradition. They presume an intelligent but not an expert reader. In some way I can't define, I identify the RSB as the slightly more "scholarly" one, and the SotR as the one that provides a little more theological help... but they are very similar in tone.

SIZE, LAYOUT, AND PRINT: The RSB is in standard two-column form; the SotR is in one-column form. The print size is about the same, and in overall size, my two hardbacks are comparable.

FOOTNOTES: Both have almost identical footnotes, presumably because of their mutual dependence on the NGSB. Occasionally you will find their word-choices slightly differ, but expect the same footnotes. They are concise yet helpful, providing historical background and theological insight. The difference you will find is that the SotR also includes references to relevant passages from various Reformed confessions, which are included in an appendix.

BOOK INTRODUCTIONS: Very similar. I think these must also be taken from a common source (look at me doing textual criticism :D). Both provide information on authorship, setting, and theological emphases, and both provide similar outlines to the books.

GENRE INTRODUCTION: For lack of a better term. Each provides introductions to the different types of biblical literature (such as epistles, wisdom literature, etc.) If forced to state a difference, I would say that the RSB gives slightly more historical context, and the SotR gives slightly more thematic emphasis, but please remember that I am splitting hairs between two very similar resources.

OTHER HELPS: Again, both have excellent in-text charts and maps, with the SotR having slightly more. In addition, the SotR has a very nice appendix of color maps, and the RSB does not. The SotR also includes major Reformed confessions in an appendix, which the RSB does not. Both have about the same number of in-text articles on similar theological topics, and from what I have read so far, they are both good. Like I said about the general tone, I tend to think that the RSB is a bit more scholarly, but that may merely be a personal bias due to my admiration of R.C. Sproul. ;)


In conclusion: No absolute recommendation here; they are too similar and too good to make a clear value judgment. I recommend that you consider translation carefully, as that is by far the biggest difference between the two. If you are very visual and like maps, you would be happy with either but slightly more so, perhaps, with the SotR. If you like the two-column layout, you would feel more comfortable with the RSB. There are slightly more helps in the SotR, including the confessions in the back. I feel like the RSB is slightly more academic. But, in my mind, the differences are so very minor that the best way to choose would be based on translation, and either way you will have an excellent study bible.


Happy Reading!
Well, thank you for the update, and yes, i recall the thread.

i have the New Geneva Study Bible, so i don't believe that i shall be exchanging it for either version soon.

Curiously enough, the ESV is based on the 1952 RSV. The RSV is a translation that i miss dearly. i still have an old copy of it complete with the blue jean cover sewed together for me by my girlfriend at the time (wonder what became of her
:scratch:). Can't really abide with the NRSV however. The gender inclusive stuff was just a wee bit over the top.

As is the case with many here, i'm not a big fan of the NIV for a variety of reasons. Mostly those reasons have to do with the publisher, and not the text itself. But i do have more than a little problem with the concept of dynamic equivalence as implimented by the NIV translation committee.

Nice to see that you're still posting in Semper.

Regards,

CDL
 
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Wow...a more than one year old thread! Nevertheless, my thanks goes to the OP (if she's still around) for writing this. My church's bookstore has a Reformation Study Bible, and I've been thinking for awhile about getting one. Next paycheck, I think I'll pick it up!
 
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Macrina said:
Some time back, I promised that I would post a comparison of the ESV Reformation Study Bible and the Spirit of the Reformation Study Bible, once I had a chance to review my new copies of each. This is that post.

The bottom line: Both are excellent resources, and you will not go wrong no matter which one you choose. I am actually conflicted as to which I prefer, so I will tell you the differences and let you decide for yourself.

A note: Both of these Bibles are based on the New Geneva Study Bible, and therefore they are highly similar in many ways.


TRANSLATION: The RSB is in ESV of course, and the SotR is in the NIV. This isn't a place for a full discussion of translations -- there is plenty of that around these boards. I will leave it at saying that on the spectrum between literal and paraphrase, ESV is towards the literal with a "word for word" translation philosophy, and NIV is near the middle with a "thought for thought" translation philosophy.

OVERALL TONE: Both are intelligent works in the Reformed tradition. They presume an intelligent but not an expert reader. In some way I can't define, I identify the RSB as the slightly more "scholarly" one, and the SotR as the one that provides a little more theological help... but they are very similar in tone.

SIZE, LAYOUT, AND PRINT: The RSB is in standard two-column form; the SotR is in one-column form. The print size is about the same, and in overall size, my two hardbacks are comparable.

FOOTNOTES: Both have almost identical footnotes, presumably because of their mutual dependence on the NGSB. Occasionally you will find their word-choices slightly differ, but expect the same footnotes. They are concise yet helpful, providing historical background and theological insight. The difference you will find is that the SotR also includes references to relevant passages from various Reformed confessions, which are included in an appendix.

BOOK INTRODUCTIONS: Very similar. I think these must also be taken from a common source (look at me doing textual criticism :D). Both provide information on authorship, setting, and theological emphases, and both provide similar outlines to the books.

GENRE INTRODUCTION: For lack of a better term. Each provides introductions to the different types of biblical literature (such as epistles, wisdom literature, etc.) If forced to state a difference, I would say that the RSB gives slightly more historical context, and the SotR gives slightly more thematic emphasis, but please remember that I am splitting hairs between two very similar resources.

OTHER HELPS: Again, both have excellent in-text charts and maps, with the SotR having slightly more. In addition, the SotR has a very nice appendix of color maps, and the RSB does not. The SotR also includes major Reformed confessions in an appendix, which the RSB does not. Both have about the same number of in-text articles on similar theological topics, and from what I have read so far, they are both good. Like I said about the general tone, I tend to think that the RSB is a bit more scholarly, but that may merely be a personal bias due to my admiration of R.C. Sproul. ;)


In conclusion: No absolute recommendation here; they are too similar and too good to make a clear value judgment. I recommend that you consider translation carefully, as that is by far the biggest difference between the two. If you are very visual and like maps, you would be happy with either but slightly more so, perhaps, with the SotR. If you like the two-column layout, you would feel more comfortable with the RSB. There are slightly more helps in the SotR, including the confessions in the back. I feel like the RSB is slightly more academic. But, in my mind, the differences are so very minor that the best way to choose would be based on translation, and either way you will have an excellent study bible.


Happy Reading!
Thanks for the review. I just recently found out about the SofR Study Bible and was told it was excellent. I have not looked at either version you have mentioned.

I have had the NGSB ever since it came out and love it. Mine is falling apart and I am so reluctant to get a new one. Which leads me to another question, why are Bibles so expensive?

CC&E
 
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I have the Reformation Study Bible in NKJV (sadly, not currently available). I later purchased the Spirit of the Reformatin Study Bible - not because I prefer NIV (in fact, I don't) but because it was a good way to get my hands on all the helps (Westminster Confession, Canons of Dort, Belgic Confession, Heidleburg Catechism) all in one book. I use both - but my NKJV is my primary Bible.

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I really like the RSB, and I like the ESV...I've had the RSB for a little over a month, and from everything I've found I've enjoyed. I like the ESV and it has became my translation of choice, over the NASB, which I still use. But i've just became a big fan of the ESV and would recommend it, and the RSB to anyone.
 
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I don't usually go for study bibles. I have just purchased a compact ESV to replace my compact NIV. It has a few features I don't like - red letters, and no centre cross references... but besides that it's nice to have the ESV - most of the women in my study use it, and our current bible studies (matthiasmedia.com.au) are based on it.
 
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My annual reading of the Bible this year is done in ESV. My personal opinion.... Hate it. I guess I'm just too used to my favorite versions. I'll finish it out in ESV, though. I haven't found it to be a bad translation, just no my prefered translation.

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