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Can you explain the logic behind that?
By definition.
Given the evidence, I would agree with this. The problem is Christians don't have any outside a book that's been disproven.
Uncertainty about what?Uncertainty is only good in the sense that it inevitably leads to what is true. Once you know what is true you are no longer uncertain.
Society is. Religion was based on one religion per Empire. In the Third world they prefer that format. In the First we have so many different versions, religion has been relegated to second place.So is individualism the answer to religion? Dismantle social institutions with logic, and leave everyone unto themselves, by order or reason.
How does the save the pub campaign fit in? http://savethepub.co.uk/
If theres an attack on institutionalised unreason, surely drunkeness ought to be a target as much as "faith"?
I always think the truth must be linked to an unchallenged authority. Without that authority, any so-called truth is debatable. For example, for German people in WWII, what Hitler said IS the truth. And for Chinese people in 1960's, whatever Chairman Mao said IS the truth.
In that sense, the concept of "God is the Truth" or "What the Bible says is the truth" is fully justified for all Christians.
And there is no truth for humanist, because to them, human is god and humans are equal. "Thou shalt not kill (murder)" may not be a truth for humanists.
Religions are man made, the evidence is overwhelming.Exactly.
Which immediatly shows why people shouldn't be so obsessed with "truth".
Having unchallengeable authorities never ends well.
Religions are man made, the evidence is overwhelming.
Er, no - that doesn't follow logically. It would be logical iif religion and man were the only finite and time-based things - and they're clearly not.... What is true is separate from both religion and man. Logically this means truth is infinite and timeless. Religion and man are both finite and based on time.
Er, no - that doesn't follow logically. It would be logical iif religion and man were the only finite and time-based things - and they're clearly not.
Yes what is true has nothing to do with religion or men. What is true is in the evidence. It's up to Humans to find it, not men to make it. The rest is spot on.Religions have no bearing on what is true. Just like humans have no bearing on what is true. What is true is separate from both religion and man. Logically this means truth is infinite and timeless. Religion and man are both finite and based on time.
Right again. Truth isn't defined in the brain. It's defined on evidence.Fine, let me rephrase what I'm saying. Anything finite would logically be separate from what is true. If this were not true and anything finite determined truth then truth could literally be anything, thereby rendering truth meaningless. Your finite mind does not determine truth, my finite mind does not determine truth, therefore, truth must be infinitely true at all times. And anything infinitely true at all times would logically be infinite and timeless.
I see where you're going. Yes this is right. The result of the Arsenal v West Ham game last saturday was Arsenal 0 - 2 West Ham. That's proven and there's evidence. So that result is infinite and timeless. Once proven all records remain infinite and timeless.And anything infinitely true at all times would logically be infinite and timeless.
Er, no. Truth means correspondence to the facts. It may not be possible to establish the facts, or that what is thought to be true corresponds to them, but that doesn't mean it can be anything. You can (mistakenly) think literally anything was true, because you can be mistaken about the facts; but that doesn't make truth meaningless, it make you wrong about the truth. Calling something 'infinitely' true is itself meaningless - it is either true (in correspondence with the facts) or not true (though in practice it can be indeterminate because you don't know).Anything finite would logically be separate from what is true. If this were not true and anything finite determined truth then truth could literally be anything, thereby rendering truth meaningless. Your finite mind does not determine truth, my finite mind does not determine truth, therefore, truth must be infinitely true at all times. And anything infinitely true at all times would logically be infinite and timeless.
Fine, let me rephrase what I'm saying. Anything finite would logically be separate from what is true.
That's probably why we're in the pickle we're in.
Usually there is little difference between truth and fact when closely examined. Here I present what I consider to be an example of the difference.
It is a fact that immigrants seek a better life in America because of problems in their native lands.
It is the truth that they should stay and work to solve those problems in their native lands.
Note that the truth statement contains a moral element.
Comments or other examples?
Facts are indisputable. Truth is disputable, because we all have different perceptions of it.
In this example, the ''truth'' here is just your opinion. Yes?
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