Trust

[Luminaire]

How can you trust that God will really come through for you and save you?

How do you know when you ask him for salvation that he doesn't say "No"?

 

[Everlasting33]

Jesus saved us on the cross and i have confidence and faith in that.

I trust the same way I trust my fiancee. Trust is vital in any relationship.

I trust that He doesn't say no because of what His word tells us...specifically in John 3:16.

 

[Luminaire]

Jesus saved us on the cross and i have confidence and faith in that.

I trust the same way I trust my fiancee. Trust is vital in any relationship.

I trust that He doesn't say no because of what His word tells us...specifically in John 3:16.

How do you know he wasn't lying?

The reason I ask is because the Bible seems to say a lot of things about God promising to take care of us, and yet it is obvious he does not.

If we can't trust God in these things, then how can we trust God with eternal salvation?

 

[Everlasting33]

How do you know he wasn't lying?

The reason I ask is because the Bible seems to say a lot of things about God promising to take care of us, and yet it is obvious he does not.

If we can't trust God in these things, then how can we trust God with eternal salvation?

Well, that's why trust comes in. How do I know that my fiancee wasn't lying when he said he hasn't cheated on me?

It just all comes back to trust and faith. There is a peace that what I believe is true. Even if it is not, there is a peace.

I have seen God take care of me and this has strengthened my trust in Him.

 

[dinonum]

I agree with what Steeler has said mostly.

To answer the last question as best I can, salvation isn't really a yes or no question. God gave us, all of us, the opportunity of Salvation through Christ. It's a gift, all we have to do is accept it.

 

[Luminaire]

Well, that's why trust comes in. How do I know that my fiancee wasn't lying when he said he hasn't cheated on me?

It just all comes back to trust and faith. There is a peace that what I believe is true. Even if it is not, there is a peace.

I have seen God take care of me and this has strengthened my trust in Him.

And what happens when someone you put your trust in betrays that trust? What happens when they fail you?

If your fiancee did cheat on you, would you still blindly trust him as you do now?

 

[Everlasting33]

And what happens when someone you put your trust in betrays that trust? What happens when they fail you?

Are you speaking about God or someone personal?

If your fiancee did cheat on you, would you still blindly trust him as you do now?

What is the difference between blind trust and trust?

 

[secondtimearound]

God is rightous and incapable of lying. If He says He will do something, He does it. The only way He will say no to your salvation is if you don't believe that Jesus dying on the cross was to atone for our sins. Believe that His death was the price paid and ask for forgivness, then you are forgiven. It's really that easy.

 

[Luminaire]

Are you speaking about God or someone personal?

I thought God *was* personal.

What is the difference between blind trust and trust?

Well, generally you trust someone when the prove themselves trustworthy. Blind trust is when you trust someone without reason, or even in spite of them proving untrustworthy.

God is rightous and incapable of lying. If He says He will do something, He does it. The only way He will say no to your salvation is if you don't believe that Jesus dying on the cross was to atone for our sins. Believe that His death was the price paid and ask for forgivness, then you are forgiven. It's really that easy.

Aaand...how do I know that?

 

[Everlasting33]

I thought God *was* personal.

How did God betray your trust? How did He fail you?

Well, generally you trust someone when the prove themselves trustworthy. Blind trust is when you trust someone without reason, or even in spite of them proving untrustworthy.

You claimed that I had blind trust in my fiancee and I don't know why.

 

[FineLinen25]

How can you trust that God will really come through for you and save you?

How do you know when you ask him for salvation that he doesn't say "No"?

You must be called and compelled by the spirit of GOD to be saved. HE must convict your heart, and then when you answer that call and ask forgivness from your heart, that is when you recieve salvation.
You really do become a new person. You don't have to give things up as people like to put it, but instead, you are filled with an amazing love, for the LORD and for all those around you, and all the things you once knew, now you have no desire for them.
It is so wonderful to feel that forgivness, the type that only GOD can give.

 

[Luminaire]

You must be called and compelled by the spirit of GOD to be saved. HE must convict your heart, and then when you answer that call and ask forgivness from your heart, that is when you recieve salvation.
You really do become a new person. You don't have to give things up as people like to put it, but instead, you are filled with an amazing love, for the LORD and for all those around you, and all the things you once knew, now you have no desire for them.
It is so wonderful to feel that forgivness, the type that only GOD can give.

I was saved. When I was seven. At least, I thought I was.

But God's never taken care of me since then, and whenever I had the most faith was usually when things kept getting worse. So then I began to think if God wasn't willing to help me out with my basic needs, me probably didn't care about saving me, either.

 

[Adoniram]

I was saved. When I was seven. At least, I thought I was.

But God's never taken care of me since then, and whenever I had the most faith was usually when things kept getting worse. So then I began to think if God wasn't willing to help me out with my basic needs, me probably didn't care about saving me, either.

"Had the most faith" from who's perspective? Yours or Gods? Quite possibly God was testing your faith, to see whether it was genuine. He does that from time to time. He tested Abraham's faith to the point of having him raise a knife against his son, and only stopped him when he was about to plunge it into his son's breast.

The other thing is that God doesn't always give us what we want. But he always acts in the best interest of those who love him, even though we may not understand it at the time. Often God allows us to go through the most trying of times in order to prepare us for something he has in mind for us at a future time. Through it all though, he wants us to trust him.

 

[Luminaire]

"Had the most faith" from who's perspective? Yours or Gods? Quite possibly God was testing your faith, to see whether it was genuine. He does that from time to time. He tested Abraham's faith to the point of having him raise a knife against his son, and only stopped him when he was about to plunge it into his son's breast.

Yeah, that's not winning him my trust. Sometimes he screws with you just to see if your trust is "genuine"? What does he *think* is going to happen? I find it hard to trust someone who might turn on you at any point just to see if you'll still trust him afterwards.

I told myself that for years. "This is just a test. He's just testing your faith, that's why nothing happening." And even in the face of doubts I said "Well, you can't give up now! It could be just around the corner and you would have given up just when it was coming!"

But I reached my breaking point. I was waiting for God to feed me and starved instead.

The other thing is that God doesn't always give us what we want. But he always acts in the best interest of those who love him, even though we may not understand it at the time. Often God allows us to go through the most trying of times in order to prepare us for something he has in mind for us at a future time. Through it all though, he wants us to trust him.

You may notice that I never sad that I never asked God for things that I merely "wanted" as you people so love to parrot. I can't imagine he had my "best interests" in mind by completely depriving me of interpersonal contact and leaving me completely socially crippled.

Why did I ever think you people would have answers? You never do.

 

[Criada]

You may notice that I never sad that I never asked God for things that I merely "wanted" as you people so love to parrot. I can't imagine he had my "best interests" in mind by completely depriving me of interpersonal contact and leaving me completely socially crippled.

Why did I ever think you people would have answers? You never do.

You are right... we don't.
I wish I could come out with an easy answer for you, but, honestly , there isn't one.
You can trust God... I can tell you that without any doubt, because I have proved it in my own life. And that doesn't mean that it has been easy.. far from it. But, He has never left me, and even in the parts that I can't understand, I know He was there.
He doesn't, ever, promise that we won't have problems, or that things will be easy. He does promise that he will give us what we need to get through - and that is a promise He keeps.

I hope that you will see that for yourself... you have obviously been badly hurt and you feel angry.. with God perhaps, or at least with Christians. But that is ok... God is big enough to take our anger and pain.
He still loves you, brother, unconditionally. That doesn't mean you won't have problems.. even problems which appear insurmountable. But if you ask, He will give you the strength to get through, and the joy and surprise of seeing pain turn into something beautiful.

 

[Luminaire]

You are right... we don't.
I wish I could come out with an easy answer for you, but, honestly , there isn't one.
You can trust God... I can tell you that without any doubt, because I have proved it in my own life. And that doesn't mean that it has been easy.. far from it. But, He has never left me, and even in the parts that I can't understand, I know He was there.
He doesn't, ever, promise that we won't have problems, or that things will be easy. He does promise that he will give us what we need to get through - and that is a promise He keeps.

I hope that you will see that for yourself... you have obviously been badly hurt and you feel angry.. with God perhaps, or at least with Christians. But that is ok... God is big enough to take our anger and pain.
He still loves you, brother, unconditionally. That doesn't mean you won't have problems.. even problems which appear insurmountable. But if you ask, He will give you the strength to get through, and the joy and surprise of seeing pain turn into something beautiful.

Well, thank you. That was probably the most honest response I've ever gotten to a question.

 

[salida]

Jesus doesn't say "no" to those who are seeking- read John 3:16.

Why does mankind need a Lord and a Savior? Are you a good person? The Good Test Can you keep all the 10 Commandments 100% of the time all the time? Only Jesus could. This is the one spiritual cure. One wouldn't tell a doctor "no" if there was only one physical cure to save their life.

How do I know this is true? By experience and I know the Bible is true. Read The Evidence That Demands A Verdict by Josh McDowell (it would stand up in court concerning bible without a shadow of a doubt) and Examine the Evidence by Muncaster.

People that couldn't be saved are those in this category- Titus 1:16 - but only God knows who these people are - (reprobate). We can't see inside a person heart. Plus, when a person is to this point they won't care at all about God and will be very very indifferent. They won't even be asking questions or seeking at all.

Biblical Evidence (Scratching the Surface Only)

Internal Evidences
Prophesies that are confirmed within Bible

- Life of Christ
The Tribe of Judah, Gen 49:10 - Luke 3:23-28
(Genesis was written 4004 BC to 1689 BC)
(Luke's time period is 60-70 AD)

Royal Line of David, Jer 23:5 -Matt 1:1
(Jeremiah 760 to 698 BC)/(Matthew 60-70 AD)

Born of a Virgin, Isaiah 7:14/Matt 1:18-23
(Isaiah 760 to 698 BC)/(60-70 AD)

**I can list at least 20 more of these.
-Rise of Empires
In the book of Daniel, Chapter 2 - four kingdoms are described in the interpretation of the dream of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon: Babylon, Medo-Persia, Greek - Daniel 8:21, 10:20) and a fourth great kingdom to follow - part iron and clay - which is the Roman Empire - during this empire Christ came and the church was established - Daniel 2:44.

-Historical Accuracy
The Bible is loaded with historical statements concerning events hundreds of years ago, yet has not been proven incorrect on any.
(Bible compared to other ancient documents):
New Testament - starts at 25 years - between original and first surviving copies
Homer - starts at 500 years
Demosthenes - at 1400 years
Plato - at 1200 years
Caesar - at 1000 years

Number of Manuscript Copies
New Testament - 5,686
Homer - 643
Demosthenes - 200
Plato - 7
Caesar - 10

Consistency
Written by at least 40 men over a period of time exceeding 1400 years, and has no internal inconsistencies.

Claim of Inspiration
It claims to be spoken by God, 2 Tim 3:16-17). No other religious book makes such claims.

External Evidences
(Prophesies Outside the Bible)
These cities were prophesied to be destroyed and never be built again.
Nineveh - Nahum 1:10, 3:7,15, Zephaniah 2:13-14
Babylon - Isaiah 13:1-22)
Tyre (Ezekiel 26:1-28)

Bible before Science
He hangs the earth on nothing - Job 26:7
(Job was written at least 1000 years ago - some scholars think it could be even 3000 years ago)
Note: Man only knew this for 350 years
Earth is a sphere, Isaiah 40:22
Air has weight, Job 28:25
Gravity - Job 26:7, Job 38:31-33
Winds blow in cyclones, Eccl 1:6

Documents that Prove Bible is True
Gilgamesh Epic, The Sumerian King List, Mari Tablets, Babylonian Chronicles

Archealogoical Finds
Excavations of Ur, Location of Zoar, Ziggurats and the foundation of Tower of Babel