Trump uses a certain wording in deleted tweet

[Halbhh]

"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & peace. Remember this day forever!" Trump wrote.
Twitter, Facebook remove Trump video amid Capitol violence


As you can see, Trump tweeted -- "...sacred landslide election..."

He called the election a "landslide" for himself, and claimed that was also... 'sacred'(!)

But, Our Savior says:

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."
Matthew 7 NIV


Now, a good tree doesn't bear bad fruit.

Continues in post #3 and #4....please see those next.


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[Halbhh]

Trump actually tweeted the wording -- "...sacred landslide election..."

That's significant.

Our Savior says:

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."
Matthew 7 NIV



Now, a good tree doesn't bear bad fruit.

 

[Halbhh]

Does Trump encourage punching people at his rallies that protest something (unlike other politicians that usually don't encourage anyone to punch others at rallies)?

Here is footage of Trump doing that:

 

[Halbhh]

Of course punching people isn't "good fruit".

It's "bad fruit".

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

People who disrupt Trump rallies need a good punch.

 

[Halbhh]

An examination I just found and have been just now been watching about the actual real life people (in court cases after their actions) who were following Trump's words. (a lot of new information to me here)

Those on both sides of various political issues, both sides, following Trump's words and acting on his words.

Trump's words leading to actions people take, including worse than only punching --

 

[Halbhh]

Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.


One can stumble and need to confess and repent, and then be restored (if they do), but an ongoing normal year after year serious sin will separate a person from God, if they do not confess and repent.

 

[marc b]

Trump actually tweeted the wording -- "...sacred landslide election..."

That's significant.

Our Savior says:

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."
Matthew 7 NIV



Now, a good tree doesn't bear bad fruit.

But..

Suppose hypothetically for the sake of argument regardless of what you think, an 11th hour Divine intervention does indeed suddenly come out of the blue and against all odds flip everything upside down and Trump truly gets a 2nd term...

…would you anti-Trumpers be willing to accept you were wrong all along and deeply repent? Would you be humble enough to have a change of heart and accept Gods move and be willing to reach out to the other side?

Or would you be so entrenched in your hate (regardless of such a supernatural move it is clearly Divinely appointed) that you end up in your own destruction?

Hopefully just something you guys should think about. Because until Biden is firmly sitting there, anything could happen.

 

[Brightmoon]

Frankly I think trump is a very bad person so blaming his winning anything on God won’t do it for me . I don’t blame God for human cruelty, ignorance, and stupidity . I blame the adult for being cruel, ignorant ,and stupid ! Adults can learn better

 

[Halbhh]

But..

Suppose hypothetically for the sake of argument regardless of what you think, an 11th hour Divine intervention does indeed suddenly come out of the blue and against all odds flip everything upside down and Trump truly gets a 2nd term...

…would you anti-Trumpers be willing to accept you were wrong all along and deeply repent? Would you be humble enough to have a change of heart and accept Gods move and be willing to reach out to the other side?

Or would you be so entrenched in your hate (regardless of such a supernatural move it is clearly Divinely appointed) that you end up in your own destruction?

Hopefully just something you guys should think about. Because until Biden is firmly sitting there, anything could happen.

Hello. I'm not an 'anti Trumper.' (Nor am I 'pro Trump'.) If Trump truly repented of wrongs such as the above (sincerely, and thus also we'd see real change, evident and clear), I'd be very glad. For a similar feeling as the famous bible verse Luke 15:7 In the same way, I tell you that there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous ones who do not need to repent.
None of us know if he will, but we hope he will. That'd be great if it happened.

 

[Brightmoon]

Malignant narcissists don’t change they just get worse

 

[Halbhh]

Frankly I think trump is a very bad person so blaming his winning anything on God won’t do it for me . I don’t blame God for human cruelty, ignorance, and stupidity . I blame the adult for being cruel, ignorant ,and stupid ! Adults can learn better

We are all people that fall short, and all have sinned, and only real faith in Christ (which is evident in time by fruits), only that real faith can lead to Him saving us. We hope any lost sinner will turn, and if they do they will be changed!

 

[Brightmoon]

So I take it you would have trusted a Charles Manson or a Ted Bundy to change . Some people decide deliberately to be evil or to do evil things despite knowing better . At trumps age he knows better and still acts the fool . Worse he encourages others to behave in a similar manner


I’m not saying it isn’t possible for him to change , there are stories all over the internet of people realizing they were wrong . Even people who have committed crimes have apologized and meant it . I just don’t think trump will change .

 

[Halbhh]

So I take it you would have trusted a Charles Manson or a Ted Bundy to change . Some people decide deliberately to be evil or to do evil things despite knowing better . At trumps age he knows better and still acts the fool . Worse he encourages others to behave in a similar manner


I’m not saying it isn’t possible for him to change , there are stories all over the internet of people realizing they were wrong . Even people who have committed crimes have apologized and meant it . I just don’t think trump will change .

So far as I understand, a 'prodigal son' is lost (and "dead" in a key way) from indulging in the pleasures of the world, of the flesh, leaving the Father -- but not something such as more profoundly evil choices re-committed to for decades, necessarily (though we cannot see all hearts of course!). It seems as if a years or decades long activities like ongoing murders (Hitler, Manson, etc.) isn't at all in a similar category to a 'prodigal', in my guesstimation. I do not really know every situation someone could be rescued and which ones a person could not (I know my own story, and some other stories I've heard, but not thousands of stories of repentance and rescue). But I do understand that to be rescued, one must turn in confession/repentance.

If a person doesn't turn, then they are still "dead". (Luke chapter 15, parable of the prodigal)

What allows a person to turn? Perhaps a key thing is being humble in some essential way, or at the right moment.

“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
is a message throughout the scriptures. Here are some of those: Psalm 138:6; Proverbs 3:34; Proverbs 29:23; Matthew 23:12; Luke 1:52; James 4:6

 

[Brightmoon]

Well trump’s been abusing people for decades this isn’t recent behavior. He’s been racist for decades , he treated his former wives ( and current one) with a great deal of disrespect . I don’t think the leopard can change its spots at this point . He’s been acting like a selfish entitled brat and getting away with it for too long

 

[Halbhh]

Well trump’s been abusing people for decades this isn’t recent behavior. He’s been racist for decades , he treated his former wives ( and current one) with a great deal of disrespect . I don’t think the leopard can change its spots at this point . He’s been acting like a selfish entitled brat and getting away with it for too long

Yes, a leopard could not change its spots. Such would be 'super'natural (unnatural if you like), basically. But, as above, it seems if we want His help, we have to be humble.

 

[Hazelelponi]

So far as I understand, a 'prodigal son' is lost (and "dead" in a key way) from indulging in the pleasures of the world, of the flesh, leaving the Father -- but not something such as more profoundly evil choices re-committed to for decades, necessarily (though we cannot see all hearts of course!). It seems as if a years or decades long activities like ongoing murders (Hitler, Manson, etc.) isn't at all in a similar category to a 'prodigal', in my guesstimation. I do not really know every situation someone could be rescued and which ones a person could not (I know my own story, and some other stories I've heard, but not thousands of stories of repentance and rescue). But I do understand that to be rescued, one must turn in confession/repentance.

If a person doesn't turn, then they are still "dead". (Luke chapter 15, parable of the prodigal)

What allows a person to turn? Perhaps a key thing is being humble in some essential way, or at the right moment.

“God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
is a message throughout the scriptures. Here are some of those: Psalm 138:6; Proverbs 3:34; Proverbs 29:23; Matthew 23:12; Luke 1:52; James 4:6

There is no one that God couldn't save... the insinuation that there are is either bad theology, or a misunderstanding of God's ability to save and Christ's work on the cross having the capacity to save the sinner.

Whether God chooses to leave them in their sin or whether He chooses to save them out of it is something only God knows. But he's perfectly capable and the saved are not somehow better people just because God chose to save us. That kind of thinking is prideful.

 

[Halbhh]

There is no one that God couldn't save... the insinuation that there are is either bad theology, or a misunderstanding of God's ability to save and Christ's work on the cross having the capacity to save the sinner.

Whether God chooses to leave them in their sin or whether He chooses to save them out of it is something only God knows. But he's perfectly capable and the saved are not somehow better people just because God chose to save us. That kind of thinking is prideful.

That's right. Although when I heard a pastor slip a year or 2 back in a church assert/claim Hitler would be in heaven, I later agreed with congregants there that brought it up saying it was mistaken. A mistake to claim. In reality we don't know hearts, what happens in someone's last moments. We don't have the omniscience to know if someone really believed or repented in their hearts.

 

[Halbhh]

I strongly recommend this fair and careful video using interviews, questions and evidence to try to figure out to what extent people doing violence and claiming it justified by Trump really did it because of Trump:

It's an eye-opener.

It's not just a few instances, or just a dozen, or just 2 dozen... violent assaults directly justified or rationalized by listening to Trump.

 

[Wolseley]

Well....since we're discussing wording, how about this, from ABC News:

"The fact is that getting rid of Trump is the easy part. Cleansing the movement he commands, or getting rid of what he represents to so many Americans, is going to be something else."

ABC News calls for 'cleansing the movement' of Trump supporters following Capitol riots | Fox News

"Cleansing", eh? Remarkable term. Who's used the term "cleansing"?

Well, there was Hitler. And Stalin. Ataturk. Saddam Hussein. The Hutu-Tutsi War. The Yugoslav Wars. Probably Castro. Oh, yes, and Mao tse-Tung. Any place, actually, where one political or ethnic group views another as pollution or infection to be cleaned away rather than as human beings with differing viewpoints.

The Leftists at ABC have placed themselves in with striking company. I wonder if they even realize it. They changed the wording for publication....but they defended the original. Remarkable.