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<blockquote data-quote="Truthfrees" data-source="post: 73258007" data-attributes="member: 376902"><p>in this situation Jesus said enough - stop - and he healed the servant - Jesus didn't need rescuing - the swords were meant for a different reason</p><p></p><p>Jesus did not tell anyone to TAKE UP arms - he told them to BE armed - it's like trump says - if you have the weapons/military no one will mess with you - and you won't have to go to war/take up arms</p><p></p><p>if you don't have the weapons there is no deterrent for others to try to mess with you</p><p></p><p>peace through strength - there is a place for it</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: #ff0000">"It seems quite illogical that after all that talk of pacifism, he'd suddenly command his followers to take up weapons, and then 5 minutes later tell them off for actually using them."</span></strong></p><p></p><p>yes - good point - Jesus was not a pacifist by any means and did not promote pacifism - pacifists teach that you are to stand up to no one for any reason - no type of resistance - only lay down and let yourself be killed and eventually this behavior will win - ghandi tried it and it worked because the british were not interested in slaughtering innocent people</p><p></p><p>mlk tried a slightly more resistant form of this and it didn't work - why not? - maybe because the people he was resisting already had no problem with killing innocent people - they had been doing it for years - so pacifism doesn't always work - especially when dealing with hateful killers</p><p></p><p>JESUS promoted wisdom - forgiveness - turn the other cheek - Jesus talked a lot about these things -</p><p></p><p>if you look at each instance He gave a pacifist sounding instruction it would fall into 1 of several categories like:</p><p></p><p>1. don't go to war over small things - just over look it - forgive</p><p></p><p>2. don't take on a battle you will lose with someone stronger than you</p><p></p><p>3. do everything you can to be at peace - as far as it is in your power</p><p></p><p>4. forgive and stay cool and calm so you can be wise about how to handle volatile issues</p><p></p><p>5. lay down your life for your friends - whatever that means - could it mean allow yourself to be killed to save another? - could it mean fight to save your loved ones and if you die in such a fight you have at least protected others? - each person has to decide what you would do to protect your loved ones - including your country</p><p></p><p>one thing i CAN'T find Jesus commanding is pacifly/passively lay down and let yourself and others be killed by murderers - imo "buy a sword" is Jesus' instruction to protect self and others from death and deter others from thinking they can attack you</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Truthfrees, post: 73258007, member: 376902"] in this situation Jesus said enough - stop - and he healed the servant - Jesus didn't need rescuing - the swords were meant for a different reason Jesus did not tell anyone to TAKE UP arms - he told them to BE armed - it's like trump says - if you have the weapons/military no one will mess with you - and you won't have to go to war/take up arms if you don't have the weapons there is no deterrent for others to try to mess with you peace through strength - there is a place for it [B][COLOR=#ff0000]"It seems quite illogical that after all that talk of pacifism, he'd suddenly command his followers to take up weapons, and then 5 minutes later tell them off for actually using them."[/COLOR][/B] yes - good point - Jesus was not a pacifist by any means and did not promote pacifism - pacifists teach that you are to stand up to no one for any reason - no type of resistance - only lay down and let yourself be killed and eventually this behavior will win - ghandi tried it and it worked because the british were not interested in slaughtering innocent people mlk tried a slightly more resistant form of this and it didn't work - why not? - maybe because the people he was resisting already had no problem with killing innocent people - they had been doing it for years - so pacifism doesn't always work - especially when dealing with hateful killers JESUS promoted wisdom - forgiveness - turn the other cheek - Jesus talked a lot about these things - if you look at each instance He gave a pacifist sounding instruction it would fall into 1 of several categories like: 1. don't go to war over small things - just over look it - forgive 2. don't take on a battle you will lose with someone stronger than you 3. do everything you can to be at peace - as far as it is in your power 4. forgive and stay cool and calm so you can be wise about how to handle volatile issues 5. lay down your life for your friends - whatever that means - could it mean allow yourself to be killed to save another? - could it mean fight to save your loved ones and if you die in such a fight you have at least protected others? - each person has to decide what you would do to protect your loved ones - including your country one thing i CAN'T find Jesus commanding is pacifly/passively lay down and let yourself and others be killed by murderers - imo "buy a sword" is Jesus' instruction to protect self and others from death and deter others from thinking they can attack you [/QUOTE]
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