Troubled by another's sins.

[pastellee]

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[RaymondG]

Careful what you wish for....cause you just might get it. Unless you have reach perfection(which i believe is possible), you too will error in your ways at one point or another. You are now laying the foundation for what you would like to happen to you when this occurs. So far it seem that you would like to be called out openly, exposed and shamed for all future sins you commit. You would also like others to wish punishment and swift judgement on you when you fall......no forgiveness or understanding should be allowed.

And this is all fine and good. But for me, I would choose to be kind and merciful, understanding that all have sinned, and I was found by no goodness of my own. I would want to have patience and forgiveness for all who hasn't been found yet. Why? because I would like to receive the same forgiveness and mercy if I fall. Coming out of sin, doesnt make me forget that I once was lost in it....therefore i cant look with disgust at those who are were i once was...

On a deeper note....it would be wise for one to examine themselves to see what in them is triggered by viewing the actions of those outside of themselves.......then remove it.....

 

[pastellee]

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[A_Thinker]

I have erred before... And by God's grace I've been forgiven and have repented... I was willing to own up to my sins and I felt ashamed of them... But they on the other hand seem very proud of their wrongdoings and continue doing them even when they've been corrected... And with regards to them lying, though they have left loopholes, and been confronted about them as well, they still try to cover up their lies with more lies. It's as though they're scoffing at the intelligence of others who have found their lies and sins out. I just don't like it that they continue sinning wilfully even after they've been called out on it, and also how unremorseful they are...

Of course I would want kindness and mercy if I've sinned. Understanding as well. But for them, kindness and mercy had been extended, but they still refuse to stop sinning. Isn't that different already? It's like they're challenging God to see what would happen if they don't stop sinning.

Something to consider ...

Everything you see ... God sees (and more). As long as God is willing to let that situation play out, ... you should be too.

Some things are best left to God to resolve ...

 

[RaymondG]

I have erred before... And by God's grace I've been forgiven and have repented... I was willing to own up to my sins and I felt ashamed of them... But they on the other hand seem very proud of their wrongdoings and continue doing them even when they've been corrected... And with regards to them lying, though they have left loopholes, and been confronted about them as well, they still try to cover up their lies with more lies. It's as though they're scoffing at the intelligence of others who have found their lies and sins out. I just don't like it that they continue sinning wilfully even after they've been called out on it, and also how unremorseful they are...

Of course I would want kindness and mercy if I've sinned. Understanding as well. But for them, kindness and mercy had been extended, but they still refuse to stop sinning. Isn't that different already? It's like they're challenging God to see what would happen if they don't stop sinning.

Your feelings are valid and should not be ignored. It would be wise to examine why you feel them. Right now you are looking at situations without and saying that those things cause these feelings...... but i suspect that the issue lies within.......

 

[Karin12414]

Hello...

I wrote in previously on another forum, and it was about a complicated series of relationships between myself, another guy, his friend's girlfriend and his friend. I was tormented by the unGodliness that was going on between them, and though things have been getting slightly better ever since I decided to let go and not meddle, I still find myself feeling very uncomfortable and bothered every time I am plagued by thoughts of how the guy i used to like and his friend's girlfriend whom he is cheating with, engage in illicit behaviors with one another.

I found out that they have been going overseas monthly to have their trysts, and I feel frustrated that they are doing such things in the dark, with few being aware of it, but me. Maybe I should not have found out so much, but I needed to because that guy was stringing me on as well. But after having found out so much, my heart does not feel better at all. Though he used to say that he believed in Jesus, and she herself called herself a Christian, they have not repented of their sexual sins, even after I spent close to months writing about the seriousness of such sins, and their consequences. It's like they do not care, and just want to continue sinning despite knowing it's wrong. Why is God quiet about this?

I find it sick that they find pleasure in doing such things with one another behind the scenes, yet pretend to be upright on the surface, and I really wish for their unrepentant sexual sins with one another to be exposed so that they will realize they're wrong, and repent. It grates on my soul even more to see them happy and leaving clues on their social media of their trysts, thinking no one would find out. Their hypocrisy really infuriates me. Would God do something about this? I really want to see justice served. It's hard to know all these things and not see anything being done about it. There's an anguish in my soul, and it really troubles me. When will God act?

Honestly, I think you need to remove yourself from these people's lives. They know what they are doing is wrong, that's what makes it so enticing and all the more fun. Sin is so easy to do because it's usually a lot more "fun" than the right thing. However, the only thing you can do is hold them accountable, if you have told them it's wrong and they should stop, and they still won't, it's no longer any of your business. It's now between them and God.

Why is God quiet about this?

When will God act?

God gave us all free will. That means He isn't going to intervene further than the Holy Spirit giving them a conviction for what they are doing, but that doesn't mean they will just stop. He will have their judgement waiting for them at the end, again, that is between them and God.

You need to really just cut ties because at some point this becomes and obsession and you are allowing it to hinder your own life and development in Christ.

"What would Jesus do?" Remember? Would He spend way too much time trying to beat justice through the sinner's thick sculls? Or would He just tell them the truth and leave them to do with it what they will?

You can't change anyone but yourself, hun. And the second you think you can, you have put yourself in a position equal to God Himself, and that is a sin.

 

[Holoman]

If it bothers you so much, why not expose them?

If I was this guy's girlfriend/wife I'd sure want to know what was going on.

 

[A_Thinker]

If it bothers you so much, why not expose them?

If I was this guy's girlfriend/wife I'd sure want to know what was going on.

Possibly ... because she, not being God, cannot know the outcome of such a confrontation. This is a complicated situation (it's kind of psychologically incestuous) ... which could turn out very badly. I don't think that she'd want the possible ramifications of "exposure" ... to be on her account ...

That's why my counsel ... is to steer clear ... of the inevitable explosion.

I'd leave this one to God. Let Him take the heat for resolving the situation ... in a way that is the least hurtful ...

 

[Karin12414]

If it bothers you so much, why not expose them?

If I was this guy's girlfriend/wife I'd sure want to know what was going on.

I don;t think it is our place to do that sort of thing. If she were to expose it, the situation would be turned on her. Like this:

The guy: hates her because she was "supposed to be a friend" and "betrayed him" and thinks she did it out of jealosy
The girl: hates her because she ruined both relationships and thinks she did it out of jealosy, even though it was wrong
The boyfriend: hates her because this has been going on for A WHILE and she waited till NOW to tell him? And he hates her for making him feel stupid about not "seeing the obvious"

There's no way to "win" in this situation. The only option is to not be involved anymore. It will come to light, because it always does. But allowing this to take up majority of your time thinking, is not healthy, it's obsessive.

 

[Holoman]

I don;t think it is our place to do that sort of thing. If she were to expose it, the situation would be turned on her. Like this:

The guy: hates her because she was "supposed to be a friend" and "betrayed him" and thinks she did it out of jealosy
The girl: hates her because she ruined both relationships and thinks she did it out of jealosy, even though it was wrong
The boyfriend: hates her because this has been going on for A WHILE and she waited till NOW to tell him? And he hates her for making him feel stupid about not "seeing the obvious"

There's no way to "win" in this situation. The only option is to not be involved anymore. It will come to light, because it always does. But allowing this to take up majority of your time thinking, is not healthy, it's obsessive.

I'd agree that it's obsessive, and that everyone could end up hating her, but it sounds like she needs to cut these people out of her life anyway.

 

[Karin12414]

I'd agree that it's obsessive, and that everyone could end up hating her, but it sounds like she needs to cut these people out of her life anyway.

I agree, but that doesn't have to involve throwing a grenade into the already burning building, that's my opinion, at least.

If you want to cut someone out, just cut them out. Delete and BLOCK their numbers, block them on social media and just stock concerning yourself with them. It's their lives to ruin, not yours.

 

[cvanwey]

Hello...

I wrote in previously on another forum, and it was about a complicated series of relationships between myself, another guy, his friend's girlfriend and his friend. I was tormented by the unGodliness that was going on between them, and though things have been getting slightly better ever since I decided to let go and not meddle, I still find myself feeling very uncomfortable and bothered every time I am plagued by thoughts of how the guy i used to like and his friend's girlfriend whom he is cheating with, engage in illicit behaviors with one another.

I found out that they have been going overseas monthly to have their trysts, and I feel frustrated that they are doing such things in the dark, with few being aware of it, but me. Maybe I should not have found out so much, but I needed to because that guy was stringing me on as well. But after having found out so much, my heart does not feel better at all. Though he used to say that he believed in Jesus, and she herself called herself a Christian, they have not repented of their sexual sins, even after I spent close to months writing about the seriousness of such sins, and their consequences. It's like they do not care, and just want to continue sinning despite knowing it's wrong. Why is God quiet about this?

I find it sick that they find pleasure in doing such things with one another behind the scenes, yet pretend to be upright on the surface, and I really wish for their unrepentant sexual sins with one another to be exposed so that they will realize they're wrong, and repent. It grates on my soul even more to see them happy and leaving clues on their social media of their trysts, thinking no one would find out. Their hypocrisy really infuriates me. Would God do something about this? I really want to see justice served. It's hard to know all these things and not see anything being done about it. There's an anguish in my soul, and it really troubles me. When will God act?

Below are some hypothetical answers (all which may actually be correct):

1. God doesn't actually exist.
2. God chooses not to act, as God allows for 'freewill' during natural life.
3. God is choosing the correct time to intervene.
4. You are not praying correctly.
5. God chooses retribution on His time, not yours.
6. God is not all powerful and cannot actually stop it.
7. You are praying to the wrong God, and this is why God is not fulfilling your request.
8. God is not a slot machine, and does not answer or entertain intercessory prayers.
9. Maybe God has got bigger fish to fry.

I'm sure there's many more...