Tree of Knowledge

[Adrian Z]

I heard from Pastor Arnold Murray, that to touch the opposite gender, is to partake of the tree of knowledge. And that Cain is the son of the devil, because Eve laid with Satan. And she laid with Adam right after,and conceived Abel. And this is kind of supported by, how the bible says sometimes, "He knew his wife, and she bore." And to lay with beasts or the same gender, is confusion.

So the first commandment, might of been really, don't have sex.

What do you guys think of this?

 

[elopez]

What do you guys think of this?

Pure speculation and seems to be adding to the text. Scripture does not say that Eve had lain with Satan.

 

[Adrian Z]

Pure speculation and seems to be adding to the text. Scripture does not say that Eve had lain with Satan.

To partake of the tree of knowledge, when translated, according to Pastor Murray means to have sex. He uses the Strongs Concordance, along with the Companion Bible.

Genesis 3
1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Has God indeed said, ‘You shall not eat of every tree of the garden’?”
2 And the woman said to the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden; 3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God has said, ‘You shall not eat it, nor shall you touch it, lest you die.’”
4 Then the serpent said to the woman, “You will not surely die. 5 For God knows that in the day you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Revelation 12
9 So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Apparently the serpent is satan. And according to the strongs and the companion bible, the translation does imply, that Eve "layed" with Satan.

 

[elopez]

Apparently the serpent is satan. And according to the strongs and the companion bible, the translation does imply, that Eve "layed" with Satan.

Yeah can you point out where in the text it says that, because I'm still not seeing it. It does not say that Eve laid with the serpent or Satan. It's just not there.

 

[St_Worm2]

I heard from Pastor Arnold Murray, that to touch the opposite gender, is to partake of the tree of knowledge. And that Cain is the son of the devil, because Eve laid with Satan. And she laid with Adam right after,and conceived Abel. And this is kind of supported by, how the bible says sometimes, "He knew his wife, and she bore." And to lay with beasts or the same gender, is confusion.

So the first commandment, might of been really, don't have sex.

What do you guys think of this?

Actually, the first commandment God gave us was to have sex!

"God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” Genesis 1:27-28​

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[Adrian Z]

Actually, the first commandment God gave us was to have sex!

"God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them; and God said to them, Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth.” Genesis 1:27-28​

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Aww you're right, I overlooked that one, thanks!

 

[good brother]

You really gotta watch ol Arnold Murray. I used to watch him from time to time just to see what craziness he would say! He and Harold Camping are two people I wouldn't follow too closely.

In Christ, GB

 

[DamianWarS]

I heard from Pastor Arnold Murray, that to touch the opposite gender, is to partake of the tree of knowledge. And that Cain is the son of the devil, because Eve laid with Satan. And she laid with Adam right after,and conceived Abel. And this is kind of supported by, how the bible says sometimes, "He knew his wife, and she bore." And to lay with beasts or the same gender, is confusion.

So the first commandment, might of been really, don't have sex.

What do you guys think of this?

its not in the text so it would be irresponsible to think that is what actually happened.

here is the text where God initially tells them not to eat...

Genesis 2:16-17
The LORD God commanded the man, saying, "From any tree of the garden you may eat freely;but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die."

here is where Adam and Eve disobey God...

Genesis 3:6
When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate.

and later when God confronts them...

Genesis 3:11-13
And He said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you not to eat?" The man said, "The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me from the tree, and I ate." Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate."

and here is where Cain was born...

Genesis 4:1
Now the man had relations with his wife Eve, and she conceived and gave birth to Cain, and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the LORD."

(btw - Hebrew for "man" is "adam" so this verse can be interchanged with man/adam)

I don't see how eating the fruit here means having sex with Satan or how Cain was a product of that. If God said you can eat freely from any of the trees except the tree of the knowledge of good and evil than what is that supposed to have meant? Did it mean Adam and Even could have sex with whomever they wanted except for Satan? Or is each tree in the garden suppose to be a different thing and the one in the middle represented sex? The whole thing is all speculation and nothing directly in the text. When you replace the tree with sex Genesis 3:6 is humorous when Eve sees the tree is desirable and a delight to her eyes but that hardly proves anything.

 

[Yarddog]

I heard from Pastor Arnold Murray, that to touch the opposite gender, is to partake of the tree of knowledge. And that Cain is the son of the devil, because Eve laid with Satan. And she laid with Adam right after,and conceived Abel. And this is kind of supported by, how the bible says sometimes, "He knew his wife, and she bore." And to lay with beasts or the same gender, is confusion.

So the first commandment, might of been really, don't have sex.

What do you guys think of this?

I think that he has no idea what he is talking about. To put it nicely.

 

[cyberlizard]

with reference to the idea of Eve having sex with the previously legged and winged Adversary, the Hebrew of the text is actually ambiguous and can be interpreted this way.

Not only that, but the argument can be made from the Septuagint (LXX) and the Targum. Also, this legend can be found throughout midrashic, rabbinic and talmudic and post-talmudic works. It can even be found mentioned in some early Christian works.

For people who want references - keep wishing - if you want answers to questions like these you'll have to buy more forthcoming book on the biblical festivals which discusses this very concept in the section on the Day of Atonement.


Steve

p.s. in our 'everyday' bible's, we see God clothing Adam & Eve with a skin, and many assume God killed an animal for this and this is therefore a prototype of the idea of atonement through death, however, in the Targum, they are clothed with the skin of the Serpent which he was made to shed and this is described as a 'vesture of honour' - no doubt in relation to its beauty.

 

[eachallberg]

I heard from Pastor Arnold Murray, that to touch the opposite gender, is to partake of the tree of knowledge. And that Cain is the son of the devil, because Eve laid with Satan. And she laid with Adam right after,and conceived Abel. And this is kind of supported by, how the bible says sometimes, "He knew his wife, and she bore." And to lay with beasts or the same gender, is confusion.

So the first commandment, might of been really, don't have sex.

What do you guys think of this?

Thats a bit irritating. Knowledge is a good thing, and Genesis is a piece of art that is distorted by most scholars.

Both the tree of life and knowledge are in the middle of the garden next to each other.

Be careful of what some guy wants to teach (even me).
Check out Mark 8:15
Reminiscent of your situation.

Grace and peace to you.