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<blockquote data-quote="Loudmouth" data-source="post: 68229086" data-attributes="member: 11790"><p>It is incomplete for single species. For some species, we only have one fossil that represents that entire species. Do you really think that species only ever had one individual in it?</p><p></p><p>We could use passenger pigeons as another example. That species was once so numerous that the flocks stretched for multiple miles, and they would blot out the sun. They numbered in the billions. Since then, we hunted them to extinction. Guess how many passenger pigeon fossils we have? Just a handful, and that is from a recent species that numbered in the billions, perhaps trillions of individuals over the centuries.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>How do you determine if a fossil has a fully developed body plan? Until you explain that, it is a meaningless term.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Until you define what features a fossil needs in order to be a precursor it is a meaningless term. For example, what features does a precursor for modern humans need?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The light sensitive eyespot is a transition between no eye and the more complex eyes we see in modern animals. If you won't accept that rather obvious transition, why would you accept the others? If a light sensitive eye is a "fully developed body plan", then it seems that the term really doesn't mean anything.</p><p></p><p>[quoet]I do find the fossil record interesting and think there is more to it than I understand at the moment. But there's always two sides to every story and even Tiktaalik is disputed as a fish with wrists (if I have that right).</p></blockquote><p></p><p>A fish with wrists is exactly what a transitional should be.</p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="Loudmouth, post: 68229086, member: 11790"] It is incomplete for single species. For some species, we only have one fossil that represents that entire species. Do you really think that species only ever had one individual in it? We could use passenger pigeons as another example. That species was once so numerous that the flocks stretched for multiple miles, and they would blot out the sun. They numbered in the billions. Since then, we hunted them to extinction. Guess how many passenger pigeon fossils we have? Just a handful, and that is from a recent species that numbered in the billions, perhaps trillions of individuals over the centuries. How do you determine if a fossil has a fully developed body plan? Until you explain that, it is a meaningless term. Until you define what features a fossil needs in order to be a precursor it is a meaningless term. For example, what features does a precursor for modern humans need? The light sensitive eyespot is a transition between no eye and the more complex eyes we see in modern animals. If you won't accept that rather obvious transition, why would you accept the others? If a light sensitive eye is a "fully developed body plan", then it seems that the term really doesn't mean anything. [quoet]I do find the fossil record interesting and think there is more to it than I understand at the moment. But there's always two sides to every story and even Tiktaalik is disputed as a fish with wrists (if I have that right).[/QUOTE] A fish with wrists is exactly what a transitional should be. [/QUOTE]
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