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Drugs, Inc. – Heroin

My prayer is Thy Kingdom Come.


I have three sons and they never got involved. I am thankful to God. My prayers go out to those who are addicted and those parents who have children on drugs.

The gospel needs to get to people like these.

Revelation 18:23
"...For your merchants were the great men of the earth, for by your sorcery all the nations were deceived." —Revelation 18:23
The word "sorcery" in this passage is the Greek word "pharmakeia" (Strongs #5331) (far-mak-i'-ah). This is the source of the English word "pharmaceutical". Global Skywatch
 

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My prayer is Thy Kingdom Come.

I have three sons and they never got involved. I am thankful to God. My prayers go out to those who are addicted and those parents who have children on drugs.
Don't ever stop praying about this. As one who has been addicted; and on the needle for years; I have experienced the terrible powers of drugs; yet in the darkest moment; Jesus over-powered it all and I am drug free.

(Micah 7:8 )
 
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Don't ever stop praying about this. As one who has been addicted; and on the needle for years; I have experienced the terrible powers of drugs; yet in the darkest moment; Jesus over-powered it all and I am drug free.

(Micah 7:8 )

May God continue to strengthen you.
 
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No I don't think so. It is bad enough. Legalising drugs will make matters worse.
I think the drug pushers are the ones that need to be caught. Too many lives are being ruined for the sake of a $.
It would be the worst crime of them all to legalize drugs...but then who is going to go after all the doctors that make addicts just like the "illegal" cartels?
 
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just out of curiousity, was this a serious question?

I am not sure; but it looks like it could be a serious question? As i watched the video; I know there are some parts of the "harm reduction" philosophy that I have a problem with.
 
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I had a brother, 2 years older than me, who started using pot at around 16. It was immediately apparent. We used to be so close that we could read each others thoughts, or so it seemed. Once he got on that, the connection was broken. I hated pot and other drugs and never even liked aspirin. He died at the age of 50--heroine OD--technically. His liver was 2x normal, it was tan (Not even dark brown!) and nodular--your basic fried liver. The amount of heroine he took would not have killed anyone, but by then he didn't even have enough liver function to process that. Had he not taken that final shot, nor had another drink, he still would have been dead within a few weeks at most. And it took me years to realize that pot was not the culprit--my brother would have ended up as he did even if pot had never existed because that was the lifestyle he chose. He was in constant search of oblivion. He was also alcoholic. I've had fibromyalgia, IBS, diebetic foot nueropathy pain, degenerative disc disease and am on disability now. Pain has a way of changing our minds about stuff! For the 1st time in my life I actually tried smoking pot! I have been researching it for about 5-6 years and I was out of pain meds and going nuts with pain, crying every day, barely sleeping. My hubby talked to some friend who took pity and brought him some "stuff." There I was, 61 and actually rolling my own joint and smoking it!!! My family nearly fell on the floor laughing at the thought! I felt nothing. I smoked 2, one each night---nothing. No "mellowness"--no change in pain. I did,however, sleep for 4 hrs straight for the 1st time in years--the pain of my feet wake me up ever 1-2 hrs and I have to soak them in cold water for a few minutes to get enough relief to get another hr or 2 of sleep. I called the guy and told him I simply could not continue to take this from him--I was making him do something illegal and I couldn't take the guilt--not to mention that I kept looking around the corner and out the window for the cops!! There were police sirens when I was smoking and I nearly fell off my chair! The laws here are very weird, some say it's ok and others say no--about all the dispenseries have been shut down by cops, people arrested, even when the judge threw the case out and said the laws were unconstitutional as one said you could and another you couldn't, the cops turned around and rearrested the same people. So I am not doing this legally or illegally. But, I will say this, if the laws were better, I would rather do pot, than to take these awful drugs that I have to. Pot has less side affects. And I totally object to people who have no idea of what being in pain for over 21 years means having the power to decide how I will treat my pain. This should be between me and the dr. Worried about addiction?? I used to be. I no longer care, I just want relief and to have a half normal life. I've quite thinking there's something out there that will make me pain free, all I want is to make it bareable.
 
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Hi mmksparbud. Thanks for sharing your story here with us. It looks like you have a lot of frustrations with chronic pain.

I was in nursing for quite a few years, and I know some basics about the types of ailments you describe.

One principle of pain management that seems to apply in most cases, is simply that there is usually no need to worry about addiction; if you are genuinely in pain, and you really need medication to control it.

Smoking "weed" is not really the best idea. One, it is not really legal; although various laws and penalties regarding it's possession and use do vary widely from one place to another. There are now better pain management techniques and solutions to chronic or intractable pain.

Especially for the neuropathy and fybromyalgia related pain, there are a few non-narcotic drugs that are coming out and which are proving to be quite effective for relief of nerve type pains. Atleast here in Canada there are.

Some hospitals, in bigger centers have Pain Management clinics where they teach people with long-term or chronic pain, a wide variety of ways for managing and coping with their pain. It might be well worth your while to research these, and see if there is one you could manage to attend.

I don't know if anything I have said here seems like it could be helpful to you; but I thought that it might be worth sharing, incase.

At any rate; I can relate to your just feeling so desperate for relief. I have had very severe, long term pain from several different sources. It was not easy to get to the point where I am now, and be drug free, but what I said above entails some of the ideas that helped me to do it. :)
 
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I had a brother, 2 years older than me, who started using pot at around 16. It was immediately apparent. We used to be so close that we could read each others thoughts, or so it seemed. Once he got on that, the connection was broken. I hated pot and other drugs and never even liked aspirin. He died at the age of 50--heroine OD--technically. His liver was 2x normal, it was tan (Not even dark brown!) and nodular--your basic fried liver. The amount of heroine he took would not have killed anyone, but by then he didn't even have enough liver function to process that. Had he not taken that final shot, nor had another drink, he still would have been dead within a few weeks at most. And it took me years to realize that pot was not the culprit--my brother would have ended up as he did even if pot had never existed because that was the lifestyle he chose. He was in constant search of oblivion. He was also alcoholic. I've had fibromyalgia, IBS, diebetic foot nueropathy pain, degenerative disc disease and am on disability now. Pain has a way of changing our minds about stuff! For the 1st time in my life I actually tried smoking pot! I have been researching it for about 5-6 years and I was out of pain meds and going nuts with pain, crying every day, barely sleeping. My hubby talked to some friend who took pity and brought him some "stuff." There I was, 61 and actually rolling my own joint and smoking it!!! My family nearly fell on the floor laughing at the thought! I felt nothing. I smoked 2, one each night---nothing. No "mellowness"--no change in pain. I did,however, sleep for 4 hrs straight for the 1st time in years--the pain of my feet wake me up ever 1-2 hrs and I have to soak them in cold water for a few minutes to get enough relief to get another hr or 2 of sleep. I called the guy and told him I simply could not continue to take this from him--I was making him do something illegal and I couldn't take the guilt--not to mention that I kept looking around the corner and out the window for the cops!! There were police sirens when I was smoking and I nearly fell off my chair! The laws here are very weird, some say it's ok and others say no--about all the dispenseries have been shut down by cops, people arrested, even when the judge threw the case out and said the laws were unconstitutional as one said you could and another you couldn't, the cops turned around and rearrested the same people. So I am not doing this legally or illegally. But, I will say this, if the laws were better, I would rather do pot, than to take these awful drugs that I have to. Pot has less side affects. And I totally object to people who have no idea of what being in pain for over 21 years means having the power to decide how I will treat my pain. This should be between me and the dr. Worried about addiction?? I used to be. I no longer care, I just want relief and to have a half normal life. I've quite thinking there's something out there that will make me pain free, all I want is to make it bareable.

I understand your position comepletely. My wife is almost in the same condition you are and I agree the 'legal' prescriptions are far worse than the natural marijuana. My wife is struggling right now with the issue of whether to start with the medical marijuana or not. She has received her permission card from our government and can buy it from them at a reasonable cost. Her issue is, we both we 'chronic' smokers up until 7 years ago and we gave it up when we came back to God. She believes as i do that it is far less harmful than some of the prescriptions she has been on but she is worried about it somehow tainting her witness to people. We live in an apartment and she thinks the neighbours will smell it and think her a hypocrit or something. I am with you and think, if it relieves even some of the debilitating pain, then God will understand. People that cannot wear the shoes of my wife and yourself, and i would never wish that on anyone, have no right to condemn and make judgement. Unfortunately, we live in a judgemental world...
 
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People that cannot wear the shoes of my wife and yourself, and i would never wish that on anyone, have no right to condemn and make judgement. Unfortunately, we live in a judgemental world...
If a doctor has actually prescibed it; then that is a different story. It should not effect the christian witness too much then.

Here in Canada, It would be against the law, but where you live appears to be a different story.

For those who do not want to smoke, there are some drugs available, in pill form, with the same ingredient in it as medical mariuana...(THC) and this is something that may be worth looking into in your area.
 
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I was in a pain clinic for over 10 years!! I will not go to another one. There is nothing out there yet, that I haven't tried. I was even on methedone--best 3 days I ever had! I was never high or anything, just not in pain, after the 3rd day, the pain came back. Unfortunately I am one of those who "over-ride" meds. They only work for a short time. Percoset, percodan, Savella, Lyrica, the only med that has consistantly helped me is tramadol--but it does not help the nueropathy pain. I just had a nerve conductivity test---Mercy!! Never again!! She could have had my social security number, my bank account number, anything that she wanted!! I thought it was going to be mild electrical shocks--NOOOOOOO!!! She was very speedy and effecient, but I will not do that again under any circumstances!! Conclusion, I have mild diebetic nueropathy---I said "MILD!!????" He said yes, when it's severe you do not feel anything--'SO, HOW DO I GET TO SEVERE???!!!" No, you don't want that, then you don't feel your feet---sounds like heaven to me!! They said I also have carpel tunnel of my left hand--LEFT HAND??? I am right handed, I do everything with my right hand, cane, computer mouse, etc--but it's my left hand. Well, I guess I should be grateful it isn't my right hand! I belong to Fibromyalgia Network, it costs around $25.00 a year. They report on all the latest research and they take no money from pharmacuetical companies so as to not taint their research. I also belong to Patients Like Me. A research site that researches all sorts of illnesses. I just belong to the fibro forum. It is from these 2 sources and my own research on internet that I have found most of all that has helped me--including the cold water baths--no dr mentioned that--thank God I found that out!

I was never a smoker. I tried it as a kid and young adult and found nothing in it that I wanted--just a lot of coughing and hacking and it tasted horrible. I hated the pot--tasted like hot nasty smoke. If I could do the medicinal I would definately go for the vaporizers--steam, I guess--not as nasty. I can't for the life of me, understand why anybody would smoke (reg cigarrets that is)--As for what it would look like to others--I would not advertise it as too many people have the wrong info about it. What is between me and my dr--stays there. No one should be aware and if they do become aware of it--it is my pain, my health, and none of anybodies business but me!!! I'm already judged as lazy because I can not do much, and I no longer even can go to church and they all think I have just slid away--wrong--I had one idiot church member tell me that I just need to make God first, I would be in church if I wanted to be!!! Lord, have mercy on me because she has no idea how close she came to being personally acquaintated with my right fist--err--well, with my cane that's in my right hand!! Years of pain can make your nerves just a trifle bit raw--does nothing for your patience!!
 
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Oh, from what those who have tried the medicinal pills--they do not work very well--neither do brownies!! Apparently, smoking it is the best way to get it--some people say they only take 2-4 puffs at night and that's all they need to sleep. But that it can take a few times before it works that well.
 
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I had one idiot church member tell me that I just need to make God first, I would be in church if I wanted to be!!! Lord, have mercy on me because she has no idea how close she came to being personally acquaintated with my right fist--err--well, with my cane that's in my right hand!! Years of pain can make your nerves just a trifle bit raw--does nothing for your patience!!
I can sure relate to this kind of judgmental attitude. I am convinced that church members like that just make everything that they touch much worse.
 
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Here in Canada, It would be against the law, but where you live appears to be a different story.

For those who do not want to smoke, there are some drugs available, in pill form, with the same ingredient in it as medical mariuana...(THC) and this is something that may be worth looking into in your area.

We are in Canada. There is a national government program that you have to qualify for.

As for the pills (Cesemet) they are a poor substitiute. Like Sparbud, my wife was on the gamut of what they had available and the severe side effects for her were more often than not.

The only issue to it affecting her witness would be if the smell of it lingered on her clothes and someone came to the door. Something a little weird about someone talking about God and smelling like pot...;)
 
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After watching a Nat Geo program on medical MJ I have changed my former views on the people who actually need it...
....I used to think it was just an excuse to smoke pot however after watching the MD who helped outlaw MJ.
....And how the plant helped his son live well past what was normal for that kind of cancer.
....And how a woman was able to slow down her eye problem.

It's clear that in some things that Pot out-performs man-made meds.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnrQ10sUb5k

Video -- Medical Marijuana -- National Geographic
 
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We are in Canada. There is a national government program that you have to qualify for.

As for the pills (Cesemet) they are a poor substitiute. Like Sparbud, my wife was on the gamut of what they had available and the severe side effects for her were more often than not.

Sounds like you guys have been through the ropes, and then some. I know two people who are on a new drug that has just come out; it is for nerve/neuropathy types of pain. I will find out what it is again and let you know, incase you have not yet heard of it...It has been very effective when ALL other drugs have failed.

The only issue to it affecting her witness would be if the smell of it lingered on her clothes and someone came to the door. Something a little weird about someone talking about God and smelling like pot...;)

LOL; yes, a guy like me who used to use drugs would smell it on you guys a mile away. But you would both still be welcome in my house...:amen:
 
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I understand your position comepletely. My wife is almost in the same condition you are and I agree the 'legal' prescriptions are far worse than the natural marijuana. My wife is struggling right now with the issue of whether to start with the medical marijuana or not. She has received her permission card from our government and can buy it from them at a reasonable cost. Her issue is, we both we 'chronic' smokers up until 7 years ago and we gave it up when we came back to God. She believes as i do that it is far less harmful than some of the prescriptions she has been on but she is worried about it somehow tainting her witness to people. We live in an apartment and she thinks the neighbours will smell it and think her a hypocrit or something. I am with you and think, if it relieves even some of the debilitating pain, then God will understand. People that cannot wear the shoes of my wife and yourself, and i would never wish that on anyone, have no right to condemn and make judgement. Unfortunately, we live in a judgemental world...

ECR I used both weed and cocaine and I tell you do not use it. It took me years to overcome my anger and I'm stilling working with it but through Elohim's grace I have approve 99%. Drugs in the streets and over the counter and acohol are all dangerous. I used to counsel youth and others who have dealt with drugs and drug is a drug and you will suffer the affects of it. There are natural remdies out there my brother. I was one of the dealers of drugs to others and I am so sorry. Never bought any drugs myself can you belive it but smoke and snorted weed and cocaine every day. This was back in the seventies. It is not what people think, but the Heavenly Father obedience. My prayers is for your wife that the Holy Spirit will led her into the right direction.

Special blessings,
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ECR I used both weed and cocaine and I tell you do not use it. It took me years to overcome my anger and I'm stilling working with it but through Elohim's grace I have approve 99%. Drugs in the streets and over the counter and acohol are all dangerous. I used to counsel youth and others who have dealt with drugs and drug is a drug and you will suffer the affects of it. There are natural remdies out there my brother. I was one of the dealers of drugs to others and I am so sorry. Never bought any drugs myself can you belive it but smoke and snorted weed and cocaine every day. This was back in the seventies. It is not what people think, but the Heavenly Father obedience. My prayers is for your wife that the Holy Spirit will led her into the right direction.

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There's a world of difference between using it recreationly and for medical purposes. I appreciate your insight but unless you are in the kind of pain my wife is, you cannot make any judgement or informed counsel. If it was not because of her faith, she would have killed herself years ago to escape the pain. She accepts her incurable cancer as a merciful way to end her suffering and has chosen no treatment for it... if you can wrap your head around that, then you may have some idea what she is dealing with.
 
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