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<blockquote data-quote="doubtingmerle" data-source="post: 76771173" data-attributes="member: 6687"><p>You seem to have changed from "total depravity" to "partial contamination". I do not see how the link in the OP is referring to partial contamination. Do you disagree with the page I linked to?</p><p></p><p>Or as C. S. Lewis put it:</p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px">Theoretically, I suppose, we might say “Yes, we behave like vermin, but then that is because we <em>are</em> vermin. And that, at any rate, is not our fault.” But the fact that we are vermin, so far from being felt as an excuse, is a greater shame and grief to us than any of the particular acts which it leads us to commit. (<em>The Problem of Pain</em>, cited <a href="https://mindsetfree.blog/dare-to-question/how-questioning-changed-me/" target="_blank">here</a>).</p><p></p><p>Do you agree with Lewis that we are vermin? Do you agree with him that this fact is a greater shame to us than the bad acts we commit?</p><p></p><p>If we are not totally depraved vermin, but rather, are people whose good intentions are sometimes flawed by human frailty, do we deserve hell? Total depravity explains hell. Under that doctrine, people go to hell because they deserve it. Under your views, do partially contaminated people deserve hell?</p><p></p><p></p><p>I <em>was </em>born again (past tense). But then I changed my mind. You can read my story <a href="https://mindsetfree.blog/dare-to-question/how-questioning-changed-me/" target="_blank">here</a>. So, do you think I now still have a new spirit, or do I have only a corrupted flesh?</p><p></p><p>I know Christians that do good, and Christians that do bad. Similarly, I know Atheists, Jews, and Hindus that do good and bad. If Christians have a good spirit in addition to the corrupted flesh, why am I not seeing a clear distinction in behaviors?</p><p></p><p>Are you telling me that you have a good spirit, but those who do not believe like you do not? Can you see how people would be offended if you said that?</p><p></p><p></p><p>Adam? We descended from a long line of <a href="https://mindsetfree.blog/dare-to-question/did-we-evolve/" target="_blank">evolutionary ancestors</a>. Where did Adam fit in?</p><p></p><p>Was his father a beast? And if so, one should certainly pardon mistakes he may have made, yes?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And if I am no longer born again, then what?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="doubtingmerle, post: 76771173, member: 6687"] You seem to have changed from "total depravity" to "partial contamination". I do not see how the link in the OP is referring to partial contamination. Do you disagree with the page I linked to? Or as C. S. Lewis put it: [INDENT]Theoretically, I suppose, we might say “Yes, we behave like vermin, but then that is because we [I]are[/I] vermin. And that, at any rate, is not our fault.” But the fact that we are vermin, so far from being felt as an excuse, is a greater shame and grief to us than any of the particular acts which it leads us to commit. ([I]The Problem of Pain[/I], cited [URL='https://mindsetfree.blog/dare-to-question/how-questioning-changed-me/']here[/URL]).[/INDENT] Do you agree with Lewis that we are vermin? Do you agree with him that this fact is a greater shame to us than the bad acts we commit? If we are not totally depraved vermin, but rather, are people whose good intentions are sometimes flawed by human frailty, do we deserve hell? Total depravity explains hell. Under that doctrine, people go to hell because they deserve it. Under your views, do partially contaminated people deserve hell? I [I]was [/I]born again (past tense). But then I changed my mind. You can read my story [URL='https://mindsetfree.blog/dare-to-question/how-questioning-changed-me/']here[/URL]. So, do you think I now still have a new spirit, or do I have only a corrupted flesh? I know Christians that do good, and Christians that do bad. Similarly, I know Atheists, Jews, and Hindus that do good and bad. If Christians have a good spirit in addition to the corrupted flesh, why am I not seeing a clear distinction in behaviors? Are you telling me that you have a good spirit, but those who do not believe like you do not? Can you see how people would be offended if you said that? Adam? We descended from a long line of [URL='https://mindsetfree.blog/dare-to-question/did-we-evolve/']evolutionary ancestors[/URL]. Where did Adam fit in? Was his father a beast? And if so, one should certainly pardon mistakes he may have made, yes? And if I am no longer born again, then what? [/QUOTE]
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