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Torturing animals to teach Christians a lesson!

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Some will make the case for making half human half chimp monsters:
http://nautil.us/issue/58/self/its-time-to-make-human_chimp-hybrids

So in yet another prestigious scientific Magazine we get a full on assault on our sense of decency. And definitely an attack on those that don’t believe in Evolution. In fact these higher evolved people explain to us lowly serfs why they should torture animals and bring monsters to life so that they can teach us serfs how bad we really are:

David P. Barash:
I propose that generating humanzees or chimphumans would be not only ethical, but profoundly so, even if there were no prospects of enhancing human welfare. How could even the most determinedly homo-centric, animal-denigrating religious fundamentalist maintain that God created us in his image and that we and we alone harbor a spark of the divine, distinct from all other life forms, once confronted with living beings that are indisputably intermediate between human and non-human?


Clearly the existence of people that don’t believe as David does is deeply offensive to him. Offensive enough to desire for monsters to be created just to teach these Christian/Demons a lesson. What have these Sunday church goers done to offend him so greatly. Was it that the pitch of their choir practice was off a bit … not so much:

David P. Barash:
the nonsensical insistence that human beings are uniquely created in God’s image and endowed with a soul, whereas other living things are mere brutes has not only permitted but encouraged an attitude toward the natural world in general and other animals in particular that has been at best indifferent and more often, downright antagonistic,

But what fate would be bestowed upon the unlucky monsters:

David P. Barash:
But what about those presumably unfortunate individuals thereby produced? Neither fish nor fowl, wouldn’t they find themselves intolerably unspecified and inchoate, doomed to a living hell of biological and social indeterminacy? This is possible, but it is at least arguable that the ultimate benefit of teaching human beings their true nature would be worth the sacrifice paid by a few unfortunates.


Well I guess sometimes you have to break some eggs to make an omelet. Sadly we are part of those eggs as well as those unlucky monsters. You see the real problem is that some people will not bend to his genius and the other SIS Bullies (Science is Settled) and so still persist in their evil belief that evolution is not the one true religion. And these degenerate imbeciles do not understand how smart people like David are. So at this point you may be asking who is this guy? He is a guy that teaches other people how to “fix” other people. In other words he is a professor of Psychology. And that tells you how messed up our society really is. Frankly: we are tore up from the floor up. And he is not alone in being OK with torturing animals to teach Christians a lesson there are many that think this would be a grand idea because they have realized that they wont be finding the half chimp-human fossils that makes them warm and fuzzy at night. So why not just create one in a lab to show us how random it really is?

Maybe you don’t think he is all that serious about this. But his words come across as someone screaming from a rooftop:

David P. Barash:
It is only because of this self-serving myth [of human exceptionalism] that many people have been able to deny the screamingly evident evolutionary connectedness between themselves and other life forms.


Its not enough for the radicalized evolutionists to revel in their new found religion. No they must engage in a jihad against some poor unsuspecting creatures to teach the rest of us Evolution Deniers the sinfulness of our ways. When your religion has no higher power above man then your thinking will be flipped on its head. Your own hypocrisy will be too big for you to see.

This is why its no longer time to resist dangerous rabid feral creatures like this anymore its time to fight. Its time Christians and ID people and anyone with a conscious stop tolerating this nonsense and fight back. We need an equal amount of energy going right back at them. We need to debate them, stand up to them and educate ourselves and others. Evolution is not a fact. And a cult with fools like this is at its most dangerous when it is in threat of unraveling. I say unravel it all the way. These ideas need to be trashed and exposed for the insidious evil that they are. Scientists and Physiologists have indeed found real evil. Its inside of them.
 
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The writer says: "Moreover, I propose that the fundamental take-home message of such creation would be to drive a stake into the heart of that destructive disinformation campaign of discontinuity, of human hegemony over all other living things"

In my opinion, altering other beings into chimaerical hybrids proves human hegemony beyond any doubt. It is in fact predicated on our right to do so, as he says it is 'ethical'. The writer is in fact assuming human hegemony implicitly, and in doing so, human discontinuity is made plain. For why do we have an 'ethical' right to do so? Why are we even able to?

On another note: Is any other creature even close to us in ability? This reminds me of The Everlasting Man of Chesterton. The idea that we aren't special simply doesn't hold up. Our arts and our abilities are completely different from other animals. Even if it developed out of them, this does not change. A computer is a vastly different thing from a combobulation of a few wires and circuits, though related. Likewise a human is vastly different. The rudest savage is far more than the greatest chimpanzee and to create a hybrid doesn't change this, but brings it into focus. For the unfortunate being would be less than human, but its chimpanzee attributes would not be enhanced thereby. Essentially we are just creating subhumans if this was succesful, which is doubtful anyway. Futurists continually overestimate human ability, especially when it comes to neurology or medicine. We can't even model the heart properly, and people think we will be succesful on such levels. Laughable.

Anyway, so the writer is largely incoherent in his argument. He is assuming what he thinks to disprove and in doing so, would not create a hybrid as such, but merely a lesser man, even if succesful. I would think it parody or satire, if it were not so seriously presented. Are people so indoctrinated into their respective camps that people no longer have reading comprehension?
 
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Some will make the case for making half human half chimp monsters:
http://nautil.us/issue/58/self/its-time-to-make-human_chimp-hybrids

So in yet another prestigious scientific Magazine

This is not a prestigious scientific journal. It is a titillating magazine that mixes science writing and 'narrative storytelling'.

"Nautilus is a different kind of science magazine. It delivers deep, undiluted, narrative storytelling to bring science into the largest and most important conversations we are having today. It challenges the reader to consider the connecting tissue that runs through the sciences and connects them to philosophy, culture and art."
 
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This is not a prestigious scientific journal. It is a titillating magazine that mixes science writing and 'narrative storytelling'.

"Nautilus is a different kind of science magazine. It delivers deep, undiluted, narrative storytelling to bring science into the largest and most important conversations we are having today. It challenges the reader to consider the connecting tissue that runs through the sciences and connects them to philosophy, culture and art."
Back in my day we called this science fiction.
 
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This is not a prestigious scientific journal. It is a titillating magazine that mixes science writing and 'narrative storytelling'.

"Nautilus is a different kind of science magazine. It delivers deep, undiluted, narrative storytelling to bring science into the largest and most important conversations we are having today. It challenges the reader to consider the connecting tissue that runs through the sciences and connects them to philosophy, culture and art."

That, and he's an emeritus professor of psychology.
I used to work in a highly rated university (not as an academic or researcher, more in dealing with the mayhem that they can cause without supervision), and we had a number of emeritus professors in our department. In essence they were of the retired-but-still-turns-up sort.
In general I'd trust their opinions within their sphere of expertise, but severely check when they're talking about things outside of it. So, for example, I wouldn't blindly take the opinion of a psychology professor about high level biology any more than I would be happy with someone claiming that they could service my (gas) boiler just because they could wire a 13 amp plug.
 
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That, and he's an emeritus professor of psychology.
I used to work in a highly rated university (not as an academic or researcher, more in dealing with the mayhem that they can cause without supervision), and we had a number of emeritus professors in our department. In essence they were of the retired-but-still-turns-up sort.
In general I'd trust their opinions within their sphere of expertise, but severely check when they're talking about things outside of it. So, for example, I wouldn't blindly take the opinion of a psychology professor about high level biology any more than I would be happy with someone claiming that they could service my (gas) boiler just because they could wire a 13 amp plug.

Ok I see what your saying but you fail to see that this site is constantly rated in the top 10,20 etc. on the web. And that many a prestigious scientist finds a way to get published through this very popular site.

So to say that this person or site is not serious is to say that popular science is not something that has an impact in our society.

In all due respect I think you fail to see the severity of the situation.

But maybe I am on the other side of that.
 
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Ok I see what your saying but you fail to see that this site is constantly rated in the top 10,20 etc. on the web.

Lots of web hits?!? Alert the Nobel committee.

So to say that this person or site is not serious is to say that popular science is not something that has an impact in our society.

Popular science may have an impact in the popular press, but it is not prestigious science in prestigious journals. How does the site fare in Science Journal Rankings?
 
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Lots of web hits?!? Alert the Nobel committee.



Popular science may have an impact in the popular press, but it is not prestigious science in prestigious journals. How does the site fare in Science Journal Rankings?
Ok fair enough but it means little for the general population that will take this as bible.
 
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Ok fair enough but it means little for the general population that will take this as bible.

But how popular is it, really?

Nature.com has an Alexa rank of 743 worldwide.

Nautil.us has an Alexa rank of 31,143.

Nautilus, which is not a rigorous journal, is not misleading all that many people.
 
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But how popular is it, really?

Nature.com has an Alexa rank of 743 worldwide.

Nautil.us has an Alexa rank of 31,143.

Nautilus, which is not a rigorous journal, is not misleading all that many people.
Nice
I give you that because ... hahahah you earned it legit.

NO DOUBT
 
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Anyone can shoot their mouth off but what do you think the probability of anyone actually attempting to do such a thing is? Not very high if you ask me.
What would be the odds that someone would actually want to force high school teens to shower together of the same sex?
 
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What does that have to do with anything?
indeed who cares right?

What does anything mean if anything can mean anything.

Nothing means everything.

Everything means nothing.

You have no idea where your going with this ahahahahaha.
 
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indeed who cares right?

What does anything mean if anything can mean anything.

Nothing means everything.

Everything means nothing.

You have no idea where your going with this ahahahahaha.

O...kay... :|
 
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