TO THOSE WHO ARE INVESTIGATING "MORMONISM"

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By RICHARD PACKHAM​

If you are investigating Mormonism (the "Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints" or "LDS Church"), you are probably studying it in private meetings in your home with missionaries from that church. Here are some of the key things that they are probably telling you:

Mormonism began when Joseph Smith, a young man in western New York, was spurred by a Christian revival where he lived in 1820 to pray to God for guidance as to which church was true. In answer to his prayers he was visited by God the Father and God the Son, two separate beings, who told him to join no church because all the churches at that time were false, and that he, Joseph, would bring forth the true church. This event is called "The First Vision."


In 1823 Joseph had another heavenly visitation, in which an angel named Moroni told him of a sacred history written by ancient Hebrews in America, engraved in an Egyptian dialect on tablets of gold and buried in a nearby hill. Joseph was told it was the history of the ancient peoples of America, and that Joseph would be the instrument for bringing this record to the knowledge of the world. Joseph obtained these gold plates from the angel in 1827, and translated them into English by the spirit of God and the use of a sacred instrument accompanying the plates called the "Urim and Thummim." The translation was published in 1830 as The Book of Mormon.


The Book of Mormon is a religious and secular history of the inhabitants of the Western Hemisphere from about 2200 BC to about 421 AD. It tells the reader that the American Indians are descended from three groups of immigrants who were led by God from their original homes in the Near East to America. One group came from the Tower of Babel, and two other groups came from Jerusalem just before the Babylonian Captivity, about 600 BC. They were led by prophets of God who had the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is thus preserved in their history, the Book of Mormon. Many of the descendants of these immigrants were Christians, even before Christ was born in Palestine, but many were unbelievers. Believers and unbelievers fought many wars, the last of which left only degenerate unbelievers as survivors, who are the ancestors of the American Indians. The most important event during this long history was the visit of Jesus Christ to America, after his crucifixion, when he ministered to (and converted) all the inhabitants.


Joseph Smith was directed by revelation from God to reestablish ("restore") the true church, which he did in 1830. He was visited several times by heavenly messengers, who ordained him to the true priesthood. He continued to have revelations from God to guide the church and to give more knowledge of the Gospel. Many of these revelations are published in the Doctrine and Covenants.


Joseph Smith and his followers were continually persecuted for their religious beliefs, and driven from New York State to Ohio, then to Missouri, then to Illinois, where Joseph Smith was murdered in 1844 by a mob, a martyr to his beliefs. The church was then led by Brigham Young, Joseph's successor, to Utah, where the Mormons settled successfully.


The LDS church is led today by the successors of Joseph Smith. The present president of the church is a "prophet, seer and revelator" just as Joseph Smith was, and guides the members of the church through revelations and guidance from God.


The modern LDS church is the only true church, as restored by God through Joseph Smith. Other churches, derived from the early Christian church, are in apostasy because their leaders corrupted the scriptures, changed the ordinances of the original church, and often led corrupt lives, thus losing their authority.


By accepting baptism into the LDS church you take the first step necessary toward your salvation and your ultimate entrance into the Kingdom of Heaven (the "Celestial Kingdom").

 

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WHAT THE MISSIONARIES WILL NOT TELL YOU​

(For a thorough, thoughtful and balanced discussion of the six "official" lessons which the missionaries present to investigators, called the "Missionary Discussions," go to http://www.lds4u.com. The complete text of the lessons is there, together with the techniques and strategies which the missionaries are instructed to use.)

Here is a summary of important facts about the Mormon church and its history that the missionaries will probably not tell you. We are not suggesting that they are intentionally deceiving you --most of the young Mormons serving missions for the church are not well educated in the history of the church or in modern critical studies of the church. They probably do not know the all the facts themselves. They have been trained, however, to give investigators "milk before meat," that is, to postpone revealing anything at all that might make an investigator hesitant, even if it is true. But you should be aware of these facts before you commit yourself.

Each of the following facts has been substantiated by thorough historical scholarship. And this list is by no means exhaustive!

The "First Vision" story in the form presented to you was unknown until 1838, eighteen years after its alleged occurrence and almost ten years after Smith had begun his missionary efforts. The oldest version of the vision is in Smith's own handwriting, dating from about 1832 (still at least eleven years afterwards), and says that only one personage, Jesus Christ, appeared to him. It also mentions nothing about a revival. It also contradicts the later account as to whether Smith had already decided that no church was true. Still a third version of this event is recorded as a recollection in Smith's diary, fifteen years after the alleged vision, where one unidentified "personage" appeared, then another, with a message implying that neither was the Son. They were accompanied by many "angels," which are not mentioned in the official version you have been told about. Which version is correct, if any? Why was this event, now said by the church to be so important, unknown for so long?

Careful study of the religious history of the locale where Smith lived in 1820 casts doubt on whether there actually was such an extensive revival that year as Smith and his family later described as associated with the "First Vision." The revivals in 1817 and 1824 better fit what Smith described later.

In 1828, eight years after he says he had been told by God himself to join no church, Smith applied for membership in a local Methodist church. Other members of his family had joined the Presbyterians.

Contemporaries of Smith consistently described him as something of a confidence man, whose chief source of income was hiring out to local farmers to help them find buried treasure by the use of folk magic and "seer stones." Smith was actually tried in 1826 on a charge of moneydigging.

The only persons who claimed to have actually seen the gold plates were eleven close friends of Smith (many of them related to each other). Their testimonies are printed in the front of every copy of the Book of Mormon. No disinterested third party was ever allowed to examine them. They were retrieved by the angel at some unrecorded point. Most of the witnesses later abandoned Smith and left his movement. Smith then called them "liars."

Smith produced most of the "translation" not by reading the plates through the Urim and Thummim (apparently a pair of sacred spectacles), but by gazing at the same "seer stone" he had used for treasure hunting. He would place the stone into his hat, and then cover his face with it. For much of the time he was dictating, the gold plates were not even present, but in a hiding place.

The detailed history and civilization described in the Book of Mormon does not correspond to anything found by archaeologists anywhere in the Americas. The Book of Mormon describes a civilization lasting for a thousand years, covering both North and South America, which was familiar with horses, elephants, cattle, sheep, wheat, barley, steel, wheeled vehicles, shipbuilding, sails, coins, and other elements of Old World culture. But no trace of any of these supposedly very common things has ever been found in the Americas of that period. Nor does the Book of Mormon mention many of the features of the civilizations which really did exist at that time in the Americas. The LDS church has spent millions of dollars over many years trying to prove through archaeological research that the Book of Mormon is an accurate historical record, but they have failed to produce any convincing pre-columbian archeological evidence supporting the Book of Mormon story. In addition, whereas the Book of Mormon presents the picture of a relatively homogeneous people, with a single language and communication between distant parts of the Americas, the pre-columbian history of the Americas shows the opposite: widely disparate racial types (almost entirely east Asian - definitely not Semitic), and many unrelated native languages, none of which are even remotely related to Hebrew or Egyptian.

The people of the Book of Mormon were supposedly devout Jews observing the Law of Moses, but in the Book of Mormon there is almost no trace of their observance of Mosaic law or even an accurate knowledge of it.

Although Joseph Smith said that God had pronounced the completed translation of the plates as published in 1830 "correct," many changes have been made in later editions. Besides thousands of corrections of poor grammar and awkward wording in the 1830 edition, other changes have been made to reflect subsequent changes in some of the fundamental doctrine of the church. For example, an early change in wording modified the 1830 edition's acceptance of the doctrine of the Trinity, thus allowing Smith to introduce his later doctrine of multiple gods. A more recent change (1981) replaced "white" with "pure," apparently to reflect the change in the church's stance on the "curse" of the black race.

Joseph Smith said that the Book of Mormon contained the "fulness of the gospel." However, its teaching on many doctrinal subjects has been ignored or contradicted by the present LDS church, and many doctrines now said by the church to be essential are not even mentioned there. Examples are the church's position on the nature of God, the Virgin Birth, the Trinity, polygamy, Hell, priesthood, secret organizations, the nature of Heaven and salvation, temples, proxy ordinances for the dead, and many other matters.

Many of the basic historical notions found in the Book of Mormon had appeared in print already in 1825, just two years before Smith began producing the Book of Mormon, in a book called View of the Hebrews, by Ethan Smith (no relation) and published just a few miles from where Joseph Smith lived. A careful study of this obscure book led one LDS church official (the historian B. H. Roberts, 1857-1933) to confess that the evidence tended to show that the Book of Mormon was not an ancient record, but concocted by Joseph Smith himself, based on ideas he had read in the earlier book.

Although Mormons claim that God is guiding the LDS church through its president (who has the title "prophet, seer and revelator"), the successive "prophets" have repeatedly either led the church into undertakings that were dismal failures or failed to see approaching disaster. To mention only a few: the Kirtland Bank, the United Order, the gathering of Zion to Missouri, the Zion's Camp expedition, polygamy, the Deseret Alphabet NOTES. The most recent example is the successful hoax perpetrated on the church by manuscript dealer Mark Hofmann in the 1980s. He succeeded in selling the church thousands of dollars worth of manuscripts which he had forged. The church accepted them as genuine historical documents. The church leaders learned the truth not from God, through revelation, but from non-Mormon experts and the police, after Hofmann was arrested for two murders he committed to cover up his hoax. This scandal was reported nationwide.

The secret temple ritual (the "endowment") was introduced by Smith in May, 1842, just two months after he had been initiated into Freemasonry. The LDS temple ritual closely resembles the Masonic ritual of that day. NOTES Smith explained that the Masons had corrupted the ancient (God-given) ritual by changing it and removing parts of it, and that he was restoring it to its "pure" and "original" (and complete) form, as revealed to him by God. In the 150 years since, the LDS church has made many fundamental changes in the "pure and original" ritual as "restored" by Smith, mostly by removing major parts of it.

Many doctrines which were once taught by the LDS church, and held to be fundamental, essential and "eternal", have been abandoned. Whether we feel that the church was correct in abandoning them is not the point; rather, the point is that a church claiming to be the church of God takes one "everlasting" position at one time and the opposite position at another, all the time claiming to be proclaiming the word of God. Some examples are:

- The Adam-God doctrine (Adam is God the Father);

- the United Order (all property of church members is to be held in common, with title in the church);

- Plural Marriage (polygamy; a man must have more than one wife to attain the highest degree of heaven);

- the Curse of Cain (the black race is not entitled to hold God's priesthood because it is cursed; this doctrine was not abandoned until 1978);

- Blood Atonement (some sins - apostasy, adultery, murder, interracial marriage - must be atoned for by the shedding of the sinner's blood, preferably by someone appointed to do so by church authorities);

All of these doctrines were proclaimed by the reigning prophet to be the Word of God, "eternal," "everlasting," to govern the church "forevermore." All have been abandoned by the present church.

Joseph Smith claimed to be a "translator" by the power of God. In addition to the Book of Mormon, he made several other "translations":

- The Book of Abraham, from Egyptian papyrus scrolls which came into his possession in 1838. He stated that the scrolls were written by the biblical Abraham "by his own hand." Smith's translation is now accepted as scripture by the LDS church, as part of its Pearl of Great Price. Smith also produced an "Egyptian Grammar" based on his translation. Modern scholars of ancient Egyptian agree that the scrolls are common Egyptian funeral scrolls, entirely pagan in nature, having nothing to do with Abraham, and from a period 2000 years later than Abraham. The "Grammar" has been said by Egyptologists to prove that Smith had no notion of the Egyptian language. It is pure fantasy: he made it up.

- The "Inspired Revision" of the King James Bible. Smith was commanded by God to retranslate the Bible because the existing translations contained errors. He completed his translation in 1833, but the church still uses the King James Version.

- The "Kinderhook Plates," a group of six metal plates with strange engraved characters, unearthed in 1843 near Kinderhook, Illinois, and examined by Smith, who began a "translation" of them. He never completed the translation, but he identified the plates as an "ancient record," and translated enough to identify the author as a descendant of Pharaoh. Local farmers later confessed that they had manufactured, engraved and buried the plates themselves as a hoax. They had apparently copied the characters from a Chinese tea box.

Joseph Smith claimed to be a "prophet." He frequently prophesied future events "by the power of God." Many of these prophecies are recorded in the LDS scripture Doctrine and Covenants. Almost none have been fulfilled, and many cannot now be fulfilled because the deeds to be done by the persons named were never done and those persons are now dead. Many prophecies included dates for their fulfillment, and those dates are now long past, the events never having occurred.

Joseph Smith died not as a martyr, but in a gun battle in which he fired a number of shots. He was in jail at the time, under arrest for having ordered the destruction of a Nauvoo newspaper which dared to print an exposure (which was true) of his secret sexual liaisons. At that time he had announced his candidacy for the presidency of the United States, set up a secret government, and secretly had himself crowned "King of the Kingdom of God.

Since the founding of the church down to the present day the church leaders have not hesitated to lie, to falsify documents, to rewrite or suppress history, or to do whatever is necessary to protect the image of the church. Many Mormon historians have been excommunicated from the church for publishing their findings on the truth of Mormon history.

 

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YOUR LIFE AS A MORMON ​

If you should decide to become a member of the LDS church, you should be aware of what your life in the church will be like. Although you will find yourself warmly accepted by a lively community of healthy, active and generally supportive people, many of whom are very happy in Mormonism and could not imagine their lives without it, there is another side:

You will be continually reminded that to enter the highest degree of heaven (the "Celestial Kingdom"), you will have to go through the endowment ceremony in the temple and have your marriage to your Mormon spouse "sealed." (If your spouse is not Mormon, you cannot enter the highest degree of heaven.) To get permission to have these ceremonies performed in the temple, you must prove yourself to be a faithful and obedient member of the church and do everything commanded by the church authorities, from the Prophet down to the local level. You will have to undergo a personal "worthiness" interview with the local church authorities inquiring into your private life and your religious and social activities.

You will be expected to donate at least ten percent of your income to the church as tithing. Other donations will be expected as the need arises. You will never see an accounting of how this money is spent, or how much the church receives, or anything at all about its financial condition; the church keeps its finances secret, even from its members.

You will be expected to give up the use of alcohol, tobacco, coffee, and tea.

You will be expected to fulfill any work assignment given to you. These assignments may be teaching positions, clerk positions, helping with various support tasks - any job that needs to be done. Each task you perform successfully will make you eligible for others, with more responsibility and more demands upon your time. The members who perform these jobs, even those involving sensitive pastoral counseling, receive no formal training whatsoever (there is no paid, trained clergy). You will be told that God has called you to your assignments. Many Mormons find most of their spare time taken up with church work, trying to fulfill the numerous assignments that have been given them.

You will be expected to be unquestioningly obedient to church authorities in whatever they might tell you to do. "Follow the Brethren" is the slogan, and it means to follow without doubt or question. Discussion of whether a decree from above is correct is discouraged. You will be expected to have faith that the leaders cannot possibly lead you astray. Even if they should tell you something which contradicts what a previous prophet may have said, you will be told "A living prophet takes precedence over a dead prophet."

You will be able to "vote" on those who have been called to positions of authority over you, but the voting will be by the show of hands in a public meeting. Only one candidate for each office will be voted on (the one "called by God"). The voting is therefore almost always unanimous in favor of the candidate.

You will be urged not to read any material which is "not faith-promoting," that is, which may be critical or questioning of the church or its leaders, or which might place the church or its leaders in an unfavorable light.

You will be advised not to associate with "apostates," that is, former Mormons. (You will be asked in your "worthiness" interview about this.)

If you are unmarried, you will be encouraged to marry a good Mormon as soon as possible. When you do marry, in a wedding ceremony in the temple, your non-Mormon family members and friends will not be allowed to attend the ceremony, because only "worthy" Mormons are allowed to enter the temple.

If you are homosexual, you will be pressured to abandon this "evil" aspect of your nature. If you do not, you will probably not be fully accepted by other church members. If you do not remain celibate, you may be excommunicated.

If you are a male over 12 years of age and "worthy" (that is, if you are obedient, attend meetings, do not touch, etc.), you will be ordained to one of the levels of priesthood, and, if you continue to be faithful and obedient, you will gradually advance through the priesthood ranks. If you are female, you will receive the benefits of priesthood authority only indirectly, through your Mormon father or your Mormon husband. The role of the Mormon woman is to be a wife and mother and to obey and honor her priest husband (or father).

If you prove yourself to be faithful, hard working and obedient, you will eventually be considered worthy to "receive your endowment" in a Mormon temple. You will not be told in advance exactly what to expect in this lengthy ceremony, except that the details of the ritual are secret (Mormons prefer to say they are just "sacred," but they treat them as though they are secret). As part of that ceremony you will be required to swear a number of oaths, the penalty for violation of which is no longer stated but until 1990 was death by various bloody methods, such as having your throat slit from ear to ear. You will be given the secret signs and passwords which are required to enter heaven. (Although most Mormons who have not received the endowment know very little about the ceremony, the entire liturgy is now available on the Internet to Mormon and non-Mormon alike.) After receiving the endowment you will be required to wear a special undergarment at all times.

If you should ever decide that you made a mistake in joining the church and then leave it, you will probably find (judging from the experiences of others who have done so) that many of your Mormon friends will abandon and shun you. If you are unable to convince your family members to leave the church with you, you will find that the church has broken up your family and your relationship with them may never recover.

Consider very carefully before you commit yourself, and remember that any doubts you may have now will likely only increase.

Examine carefully both sides of the Mormon story. Listen to the stories of those who have been through an unhappy Mormon experience, not just those Mormons who may speak glowingly of life in the church.

The Mormon missionaries are often charming and enthusiastic. They have an attractive story to tell. At first it sounds wonderful. But remember the old saying, "If it sounds too good to be true, it probably is!" Be careful not to fall into the trap of believing something simply because you want it to be true. Mormons may tell you that those who criticize the church are lying, misquoting and distorting. If you examine the sources used by the critics, however, you will discover that most of their source material is from official or semi-official Mormon writings. You, too, should examine those sources.

Is Mormonism a "cult"? Many experts on religious cults see in Mormonism the same fundamental characteristics as cults which have entrapped the unsuspecting, even though most people think of "cults" only as small, unknown groups. Use a "cult checklist" to evaluate Mormonism, or any group, before you commit yourself.

 

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DISCLAIMER: Some of the links and references listed here, in addition to containing valuable material about Mormonism, also contain Christian proselytizing material. Their inclusion here is not intended as an endorsement of any pro-Christian or pro-Bible statements: this site does not endorse or promote any religion or religious organization.

GENERAL REFERENCES

INTERNET SITES AND LISTS OF LINKS
http://www.exmormon.org/goodsite.htm Links to other sites.

http://www.mindspring.com/~engineer_my_dna/mormon/table.htm An alphabetical list, by topic, of Mormon-related links; many articles. Maintained by James David.

http://www.lds-mormon.com Articles and links.

http://utlm.org/ Many articles by Jerald and Sandra Tanner, especially from their newsletter The Salt Lake City Messenger. Also several complete books are online here, including their complete book The Changing World of Mormonism.

http://www.mormonism-web.com/thetruth.htm Many early texts on Mormonism and early Mormon publications; also a free on-line magazine (pro-Christian orientation)

http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/mormon.shtml Text of many early Mormon publications, including the 1830 version of the Book of Mormon and the original Book of Commandments. Curt Van Den Heuvel's site.

http://www.irr.org/mit "Mormons In Transition," sponsored by the Insitute for Religious Research, with many articles; pro-Christian orientation; an on-line newsgroup, (MIT-Talk) with evangelical basis

http://www.mrm.org The "Mormon Research Ministry," an evangelical Christian group headed by Bill McKeever; many good articles on Mormonism

http://www.frontiernet.net/~bcmmin/ The "Berean Christian Ministry," headed by John Farkas; many articles, a useful chronology of church history, and a long refutation of a Mormon scholar's attempt to discredit critics of the church.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1249/ "Solomon Skink's" page, with excellent links, pro and con

http://www.connect-a-net/user/drshades/mormon.htm "Dr. Shades'" website

http://www.realmormonhistory.com A collection of historical quotations from Mormon leaders themselves which cast doubt on Mormonism.

 

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Listed here are only a few "must read" books. There are hundreds of others. If your local library does not own them, your librarian can obtain them for you on interlibrary loan, usually for a very small fee. Most books listed are linked to on-line reviews or order information.

No Man Knows My History: The Life of Joseph Smith by Fawn M. Brodie, 2nd ed., Knopf, New York, 1993. The most authoritative biography of Joseph Smith. Brodie is a well recognized historian.

Mormonism: Shadow or Reality by Gerald and Sandra Tanner, 5th edition, Utah Lighthouse Ministry, 1987, Salt Lake City. The Tanners have done extensive research on early Mormon history and made many rare publications available by publishing photocopies of them at a low price. This book is a good summary of the contradictions and problems of Mormonism. Available from Utah Lighthouse Ministry, where a catalog of their publications is available. Also published in a slightly smaller version as The Changing World of Mormonism, Moody Press, Chicago, 1981 (now online).

Inventing Mormonism: Tradition and the Historical Record by H. Michael Marquardt and Wesley P. Walters, Signature Books, Salt Lake City, 1994. A detailed examination of Mormonism's origins by historians.

The Mormon Murders: A True Story of Greed, Forgery, Deceit, and Death by Steven Naifeh and Gregory White Smith, Weidenfeld & Nicolson, New York, 1988. The gripping account of the Mark Hofmann forgeries and murders, by two reporters. The role of the Mormon church leadership in this scandal is carefully documented here.

For Any Latter-day Saint: One Investigator's Unanswered Questions by Sharon I. Banister, Star Bible Publications, Fort Worth, 1988 (available from the author, Rt 1 Box 20, Ladonia, TX 75449, for $7.00 postpaid). Over 600 problematical questions about Mormon history and doctrine, very clearly presented, with many photographic reproductions of the relevant Mormon books and diaries.

 

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THE "FIRST VISION"
http://www.irr.org/mit/fvision.html
http://utlm.org/topicalindexc.htm#First Vision
http://www.mrm.org/articles/first-vision.html
http://www.frontiernet.net/~bcmmin/firstv.htm and
http://www.frontiernet.net/~bcmmin/firstv2.htm
http://www.irr.org/mit/inventbk.html (a review of the book Inventing Mormonism)
http://www.mormonism-web.com/cltrsndx.htm (Oliver Cowdery's history of the church, an "official history," not mentioning the first vision)
http://www.mormonism-web.com/cowdery3.htm
http://www.alphamin.org/alphamin/letters/letter06.htm (by James White: Letters to a Mormon Elder)

THE 1820 REVIVAL
The question of whether there was a revival in 1820 matching Smith's story has been hotly debated by Mormon and non-Mormon scholars. See the exchange between Richard L. Bushman (Mormon) and Wesley P. Walters (non-Mormon) in Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, (Spring 1969) 4:1:58ff. A summary of the opposing points of view (by a Mormon scholar) is Marvin Hill, "The First Vision: A Critique and Reconciliation," Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought, (Summer 1982) 15:31-46.
http://www.alphamin.org/alphamin/letters/letter06.htm
http://utlm.org/onlinebooks/mclaims1.htm
http://www.xmission.com/~research/about/index.htm (Michael Marquardt's site)
The following three links are about Marquardt's book Inventing Mormonism, a scholarly investigation into Mormonism's early years:
http://www.xmission.com/~research/about/contents.htm
http://www.xmission.com/~research/about/summary.htm
http://www.xmission.com/~research/about/reviews.htm

JOSEPH SMITH AND THE METHODISTS
For Smith's connection with the Methodists, see Inventing Mormonism, pp 54-55, citing Turner, History of Phelp's and Gorham's Purchase, p. 214, which relates that Smith was an informal "exhorter" at Methodist camp meetings before 1822; Pomeroy Tucker, The Origin, Rise and Progress of Mormonism (NY 1867), p 18: Smith joined the "probationary class" of the Methodist church; there was no Methodist church in Palmyra until July 1821 (Inventing Mormonism, p 60 n 41);
http://utlm.org/topicalindexc.htm#Methodist Church

JOSEPH SMITH AND "MONEYDIGGING"
http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/necromantic.html
http://utlm.org/topicalindexc.htm#Money-Digging and Magic
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/chatm/witness.htm (excerpts from E.D. Howe's book Mormonism Unvailed, one of the earliest books exposing Mormonism)
http://www.alphamin.org/alphamin/letters/letter07.htm
http://www.mormonism-web.com/1826tryl.htm An account of Joseph Smith's trial in 1826 on a charge of moneydigging.

 

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BOOK OF MORMON "WITNESSES"
http://www.irr.org/mit/bomwit1.html
http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/testimonyof3.htm
http://www.exmormon.org/file9.htm
http://www.irr.org/mit/address1.html The book by David Whitmer, An Address To All Believers in Christ, testifying that God revealed to him that Joseph Smith is a fallen prophet.
(Also at http://utlm.org/onlinebooks/address1.htm
http://www.xmission.com/~research/about/docum4.htm (Martin Harris interview in Tiffany's magazine)
http://www.mormonism-web.com/anthon.htm The letter from Professor Anthon about the characters from the gold plates.

METHOD OF TRANSLATION OF THE BOOK OF MORMON
http://www.irr.org/mit/address1.html or http://www.mormonism-web.com/whitbom.htm (David Whitmer's Address To All Believers in Christ; see p. 12, 30)
http://www.mormonism-web.com/true9607.htm
http://utlm.org/topicalindexa.htm#Black Hole The significance of the 116 pages of lost manuscript for testing the authenticity of the book
Martin Harris, Millennial Star 6 Feb 1882, cited in Robert N. Hullinger, Joseph Smith's response to Skepticism, p 9-14, Salt Lake City 1992, said that the plates were not needed, also quoted by John Clark, Gleanings By the Way, 1842, p 228, cited in Hullinger p 11, n 23.

BOOK OF MORMON ARCHAEOLOGY
http://www.irr.org/mit/bomarch1.html
http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/bomproblems.htm
http://utlm.org/topicalindexa.htm#Archeology
http://www.frontiernet.net/~bcmmin/bomarch.htm
http://www.lds-mormon.com/bomquest.shtml

JEWISH LAW AND THE BOOK OF MORMON
Salt Lake City Messenger, Issue #74, February 1990, available from Utah Lighthouse Ministry

BOOK OF MORMON CHANGES; OTHER CHANGES
http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/bomchanges.htm
http://www.frontiernet.net/~bcmmin/bmchg.htm
http://utlm.org/topicalindexa.htm#Changes Changes made in revelations after their first publication, to reflect Smith's changes in doctrine.
The original texts of the Book of Mormon 1830 edition and the Book of Commandments (predecessor to the Doctrine and Covenants can be found at http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/

PRESENT MORMON DOCTRINE CONTRARY TO BOOK OF MORMON
http://www.mrm.org/articles/test.html
http:/home.sprynet.com/sprynet/chatm/doctrn1.htm
http://www.frontiernet.net/~bcmmin/bmchg.htm
http://www.mrm.org/articles/birth.html On the Virgin Birth, how Jesus was conceived.
http://www.irr.org/mit/CHANGOD.html The changing concept of God.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~bcmmin/bcm2.htm Changing doctrines of Mormonism.

THE 1825 BOOK View of the Hebrews
http://www.irr.org/mit/Books/View-Hebrews/viewhe1a.html (text of View)
http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/voh/voh.shtml (text of View)
http://www.2think.org/hundredsheep/bom/written.shtml Could Joseph Smith have written the Book of Mormon?
http://www.lds-mormon.com/voh.shtml Parallels between View and the Book of Mormon. See also http://www.exmormon.org/bofmorm.htm
http://www.irr.org/mit/bhrobert.html B. H. Roberts' conclusions.

FAILURES OF GOD-INSPIRED PROJECTS
Failure of the Kirtland Bank:
http://utlm.org/topicalindexc.htm#Kirtland Bank
Gathering of Zion:
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/prophet.htm
Polygamy - see notes at: #POLYGAMY
Deseret Alphabet:
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/deseret.htm
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/byoung.htm#PROPHECIES

THE HOFMANN MURDER SCANDAL
The Mormon Murders: A True Story of Greed, Forgery, Deceit, and Death by Steven Naifeh and Gregory White Smith, Weidenfeld & Nicolson, New York, 1988. The role of the Mormon church leadership in this scandal is carefully documented here.
A Gathering of Saints: A True Story of Money, Murder and Deceit by Robert Lindsey, Simon and Schuster, New York, 1988. Another book on the Hofmann scandal.
Salamander: The Story of the Mormon Forgery Murders by Linda Sillitoe and Allen Roberts, 2nd edition, Signature Books, Salt Lake City.
http://utlm.org/topicalindexb.htm#Hofmann, Mark

THE MORMON TEMPLE CEREMONY (THE "ENDOWMENT")
The first four links contain the actual text of the ceremony in the various forms it has had since the early days of the church.
1931 Version: http://home.teleport.com/~packham/endow31.htm
1984 Version: http://home.teleport.com/~packham/endow84.htm
1990 Version: http://home.teleport.com/~packham/endow90.htm
http://www.lds-mormon.com/veilworker/endowment.shtml
http://utlm.org/topicalindexc.htm#Temple Ceremony
http://www.mrm.org/articles/garments.html A description of the sacred undergarment which Mormons are required to wear after receiving the endowment.
http://www.nowscape.com/mormon/undrwrmo.htm More on "garments"
http://www.mrm.org/articles/temple-ceremony.html
http://www.nowscape.com/mormon/mormcr1.htm
http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/templechanges.htm
http://www.lds-mormon.com/veilworker/recommend.shtml The questions that are asked in the "worthiness interview" to determine whether a member is worthy to receive admission to the temple.

MASONIC INFLUENCE ON MORMONISM
http://www.geocities.com/masonicmoroni/Home.htm Paul Graham's comprehensive site, with many links from all points of view
http://www.mindspring.com/~engineer_my_dna/mormon/masendow.htm
http://www.mindspring.com/~engineer_my_dna/mormon/masonry.htm
http://www.irr.org/mit/masonry.html
http://utlm.org/onlinebooks/changech4.htm#Joseph Smith's Magic Talisman Joseph Smith's magical talisman
http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/nohelp.html
http://www.mrm.org/articles/masonic-influence.html

 

[ByGrace]

Beautiful posts there. God bless you.

 

[Snowy]

THE "ADAM = GOD" DOCTRINE
http://www.webcom.com/jtc6563/t4.html
http://www.mrm.org/articles/theory.html
http://www.frontiernet.net/~bcmmin/adamgod.htm
http://www.frontiernet.net/~bcmmin/evolut4.htm The changes in the Mormon doctrine about God.
http://www.mrm.org/articles/adam-god.html (Text of Brigham Young's 1852 sermon)
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/byoung.htm#ADAMGOD More statements by Brigham Young
http://www.mormonism-web.com/adamgod1.htm (Brigham Young's 1852 sermon from Journal of Discourses 1:46-53)
A good discussion, with photocopy of Bruce R. McConkie's private admission that Brigham Young did teach the doctrine, is in Tanner, LDS Apostle Confesses Brigham Young Taught Adam-God Doctrine, available from Utah Lighthouse Ministry. Similar material is in Banister's book For Any Latter- Day Saint
http://www.mrm.org/articles/mcconkies-letter.html The text of McConkie's letter admitting that Brigham Young did teach that Adam was God
See also: Adam is God??? by Chris A. Vlachos, pamphlet available from Utah Lighthouse Ministry


POLYGAMY ("CELESTIAL MARRIAGE")
http://www.irr.org/mit/enigma.html A review of Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith, by Linda King Newell and Valene Tippett Avery, University of Illinois Press, 1994; a biography of Joseph Smith's first wife, relating the development of Smith's ideas on polygamy and her opposition to it.
http://utlm.org/topicalindexb.htm#Polygamy
http://www.nowscape.com/mormon/polyg.htm
http://www.mindspring.com/~engineer_my_dna/mormon/denpract.htm Smith's public (and untruthful) denials of the rumors about his practice of polygamy.
http://www.mindspring.com/~engineer_my_dna/mormon/menwives.htm Documentation of Smith's seduction of other men's wives.
http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/clndest2.htm An early and generally unknown revelation about polygamy
Mormon Polygamy: A History by Richard S. Van Wagoner, Signature Books, Salt Lake City. An excellent history of its theory and practice, reviewed at http://www.lds-mormon.com/polygamy.shtml.
http://www.polygamy.org Home page of Tapestry of Polygamy, a group of formerly polygamous women who are exposing its evils as practiced by some Mormon groups today.

THE "CURSE OF CAIN": THE CHANGING DOCTRINE ON SKIN COLOR
http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/africanamerican.htm
http://utlm.org/topicalindexa.htm#Blacks
http://www.exmormon.org/blacks1.htm
http://www.lds-mormon.com/racism.shtml
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/byoung.htm#NEGRO Brigham Young's Doctrines on the Black race

THE DOCTRINE OF "BLOOD ATONEMENT" AND THE DANITES ("AVENGING ANGELS")
http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/bloodatonement.htm
http://utlm.org/topicalindexa.htm#Blood Atonement
http://www.exmormon.org/bloodatn.htm
http://www.exmormon.org/violence.htm
http://eddy.media.utah.edu/medsol/UCME/l/LEE,JOHN.html Also about Lee.
http://www.mormons.org/response/history/index.htm
http://eddy.media.utah.edu/medsol/UCME/r/ROCKWELL,ORIN.html About O. P. Rockwell, a Danite and hit man for Joseph Smith and Brigham Young.
http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/murder.html
http://www.mokamo.com/cam/history.html
http://www.irr.org/mit/faulring.html

The authoritative work on the Mountain Meadows Massacre is Juanita Brooks, The Mountain Meadows Massacre, Univ. of Oklahoma Press, 1991.
J. F. Gibbs's complete book Mountain Meadows Massacre is online at http://utlm.org/onlinebooks/meadowscontents.htm

THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM
http://www.irr.org/mit/boapage.html The complete book By His Own Hand Upon Papyrus by Charles M. Larson
http://www.mrm.org/articles/abraham.html
http://www.mindspring.com/~engineer_my_dna/mormon/index.htm
http://utlm.org/topicalindexb.htm#Book of Abraham
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/chatm/seer2.htm
http://www.xmission.com/~research/about/abraham.htm
http://www.xmission.com/~research/about/alphabet.htm The text of Smith's so-called Egyptian Alphabet & Grammar

THE "INSPIRED REVISION" OF THE BIBLE
The Reorganized Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, (RLDS) has long used the version by Smith.
http://utlm.org/topicalindexc.htm#Inspired Revision of the Bible

THE KINDERHOOK PLATES
http://www.mindspring.com/~engineer_my_dna/mormon/indekind.htm
http://utlm.org/topicalindexb.htm#Kinderhook Plates
http://www.nowscape.com/mormon/kindrhk/kindrhk.htm

JOSEPH SMITH'S PROPHECIES
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/prophet.htm A listing of many of Smith's unfulfilled prophecies
http://www.saintsalive.com/mormonism/falseprophetjs.htm
http://www.mrm.org/articles/civilwar.html Joseph Smith's famous prophecy of the Civil War
http://www.lds-mormon.com/civilwar.shtml Another article on the Civil War prophecy
http://utlm.org/onlinebooks/changech13.htm#Rocky Mountain Prophecy Joseph Smith's prophecy about the Mormon move to the Rocky Mountains
http://www.alphamin.org/alphamin/letters/letter06.htm

For some of Brigham Young's failed prophecies, see:
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/byoung.htm#PROPHECIES

JOSEPH SMITH'S DEATH
http://www.mormonism-web.com/true9701.htm
http://www.mormonism-web.com/expositr.htm The text of the Nauvoo Expositor, the opposition paper which Smith destroyed, thus leading to his imprisonment and death. It contains all the true accusations which Smith wanted suppressed
http://utlm.org/onlinebooks/changech17.htm#Destruction of Expositor The destruction of the Nauvoo Expositor

For a detailed discussion of Smith's political ambitions, his title "king" and his secret government, see the book by D. Michael Quinn, The Mormon Hierarchy: [Volume 1] The Origins of Power, Signature Books, Salt Lake City, 1994. (Quinn was excommunicated from the Mormon church for his historical researches, but remains a believer)

MORMON FALSIFICATION OF MORMON HISTORY
http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/mormhist.htm D. Michael Quinn's Talk "On Being A Mormon Historian" in which he urges the church authorities to be more open in telling the entire history of the church, without coloring it. Rather than follow his advice, the church excommunicated him.
http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/legacy1.htm An evaluation of the propaganda film Legacy, produced by the church.
http://www.frontiernet.net/~bcmmin/persecutor.htm An evaluation of the church's claim that it was persecuted.
http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/dunn.htm The uncovering of the lies told by a high-ranking Mormon official
http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/mantle.htm A speech by Boyd K. Packer, a high-ranking church official, on how the church justifies its distortion of its history. Also discussed at http://www.exmormon.org/disease.htm
http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/purge.htm The recent purge of Mormon historians who told too much
http://www.exmormon.org/lying.htm A discussion of speech by Dallin Oaks, a high-ranking church official, on the need for withholding the whole truth.
http://www.exmormon.org/apology.htm
http://www.lds-mormon.com/lying.shtml
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/gbh-god.htm The present "prophet" Gordon B. Hinckley lies about church doctrine in two interviews for the news media.
http://home.teleport.com/~packham/lying.htm More examples of Mormon lying.

A good example of the church's distortion of history is its long cover-up of the Mountain Meadows Massacre. See Juanita Brooks, The Mountain Meadows Massacre, Univ. of Oklahoma Press, 1991.
Also see J. F. Gibbs's complete book Mountain Meadows Massacre online at http://utlm.org/onlinebooks/meadowscontents.htm

PROHIBITION ON COFFEE, ETC. (THE "WORD OF WISDOM")
http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/w_wisdom.htm Problems and inconsistencies with this revelation.
http://utlm.org/onlinebooks/mclaims8.htm#The Word of Wisdom

TITHING, CHURCH WEALTH
http://www.mrm.org/articles/tithing.html
http://www.mindspring.com/~engineer_my_dna/mormon/tithing.htm
On the wealth of the church, see: Anson Shupe, Wealth and Power in American Zion, Lewiston NY 1992, or John Heinerman and Anson Shupe, The Mormon Corporate Empire, Beacon, 1988.

OBEDIENCE: "FOLLOW THE BRETHREN"
http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/cannon.htm Excerpts from Under The Prophet In Utah by Senator Frank J. Cannon, showing how the church leaders exert power over members.
http://www.zionsbest.com/fourteen.html A speech by Ezra Taft Benson, a recent prophet and president, instructing members to obey the prophet without questioning and without checking his advice against scripture.
http://www.lds-mormon.com/mothink.shtml
http://www.lds-mormon.com/thinking.shtml A critical article on the church's mind control.
http://www.xmission.com/~country/reason/purge.htm The recent mass excommunications of intellectuals and historians who questioned church authority.
http://www.zionsbest.com/heresies.html Bruce R. McConkie on the heresy of evolution.

HOMOSEXUALS, MASTURBATION
http://www.affirmation.org The website of Affirmation, an organization for Mormons with homosexual leanings. Much information about the church's stance on sex.
http://www.exmormon.org/byuhis.htm The treatment of male homosexuals at the church university
http://www.affirmation.org/masturbation.htm A talk by Mormon apostle Mark E. Petersen, on how to prevent masturbation.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/9156/WSWWB.HTM A critical article by Jeffery R. Jensen, M.D., on the harm done by the church with its stance on homosexuality.
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/9156/HLDSSS.HTM Another article by Dr. Jensen, criticizing the church's department of social services
http://www.zionsbest.com/only.html A speech by Boyd K. Packer on the evils of masturbation in young men, and how to prevent it.
http://www.qrd.org/religion/judeochristian/protestantism/mormon/mormon- masturbation

POSITION OF WOMEN IN THE CHURCH
Books by two exmormon women describing their difficulties with the church's treatment of women:
Deborah Laake, Secret Ceremonies, Dell, 1993
Sonia Johnson, From Housewife to Heretic, Doubleday, 1981. Johnson was excommunicated for her activism in favor of the Equal Rights Amendment.
http://www.exmormon.org/mormwomn.htm A woman's viewpoint.
http://www.lds-mormon.com/lying.shtml How the church misrepresents its stance on the role of women.

PERSONAL STORIES BY FORMER MORMONS
The following site has the personal stories of over a hundred people who left the church and their many different reasons for doing so. http://www.exmormon.org/
For briefer comments from former Mormons, see http://home.teleport.com/~packham/voices1.htm

IS MORMONISM A CULT?
The following links are to checklists and other guidelines, to help you to evaluate whether any group (not just Mormonism) is a "cult."
http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/checklis.htm
http://www.csj.org/infoserv_cult101/cult101.htm
http://www.shassan.com/ The home page of Steve Hassan, an authority on cults.
http://www.caic.org.au/zentry1.htm Jan Groenveld's Cult Awareness Centre

 

[twhite982]

There are alot of problems with those assumptions.
I don't have the time nor do I want to explain everything you've said was "actual" mormon history and beliefs.

I do have links to several web sites that address these claims.

If anyone has actually made it through the entire list of babygirl's post
and have a question on a particular issue, please let me know and I'll try and find the link I mentioned above so you can hear both sides of the story.

TW

 

[calgal]

That is great info babygirl! Thanks for posting it. The LDS present a nice facade covering a pagan religion. The Tanner's site and IRR.org are wonderful resources.

 

[KelsayDL]

I enjoy inviting Mormons into my home when they are out witnessing.

Entertainment abounds when you ask them where black people came from.

 

[calgal]

Classic!

I enjoy inviting Mormons into my home when they are out witnessing.

Entertainment abounds when you ask them where black people came from.

 

[Serapha]

There are alot of problems with those assumptions.
I don't have the time nor do I want to explain everything you've said was "actual" mormon history and beliefs.

I do have links to several web sites that address these claims.

If anyone has actually made it through the entire list of babygirl's post
and have a question on a particular issue, please let me know and I'll try and find the link I mentioned above so you can hear both sides of the story.

TW

While I am neither an "investigator" nor a practicing mormon, there are certain statements in the previous postings which simply are not true....but much of the teachings of mormonism stem from progressive revelation which is an accepted tenet of the restored church.

I disagree totally with the progressive revelation of scriptures that brought about the book of mormon; therefore, I certainly do not agree with the resultant teachings.... however, we should check all postings for accuracy before posting information as truth.


~malaka~

 

[Serapha]

Perhaps some of the issues brought out in this thread would be better presented in a debate where there is no "cheering and jeering" by those in the sidelines????


~malaka~

 

[twhite982]

While I am neither an "investigator" nor a practicing mormon, there are certain statements in the previous postings which simply are not true....but much of the teachings of mormonism stem from progressive revelation which is an accepted tenet of the restored church.

I disagree totally with the progressive revelation of scriptures that brought about the book of mormon; therefore, I certainly do not agree with the resultant teachings.... however, we should check all postings for accuracy before posting information as truth.


~malaka~

Thank-you I appreciate your post.

Might I ask in what way you feel God has declared that his revelations are complete?

 

[Serapha]

Thank-you I appreciate your post.

Might I ask in what way you feel God has declared that his revelations are complete?

oops! another error... I hit the wrong button...


If you want to discuss progressive revelation, then post a specific question. I don't like the way I see threads so sour on this forum because the postings get out of control.


I do seek the truth and go to about any "extreme" to find it.

~malaka~

 

[givenright]

In 1823 Joseph had another heavenly visitation, in which an angel named Moroni
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Though I think that Moroni is a beautiful strong name, I rather like that name, I had a angel visit me once when I was younger so I believe this could be true, yet, it did not give me its name and did not tell me to start a church. But, I am not going to say that some sprite visited Joseph.I could be mistaken but, I think Jesus was not white himself.


Still keeping my Lipton, but, sure learning so much.
jennifer
adoption search and reunion
http://givenright.tripod.com

 

[givenright]

If you are unmarried, you will be encouraged to marry a good Mormon as soon as possible. When you do marry, in a wedding ceremony in the temple, your non-Mormon family members and friends will not be allowed to attend the ceremony, because only "worthy" Mormons are allowed to enter the temple
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If you marry some one you are not marrying their family and it should be a happy event, yet, it is a between God, you, and your soon to be mate, some of these weddings are all talk in the best places, I married a mormon and no one was there except for us, we married in the church not the temple. It was a wonderful thing, yet, I have been in weddings of my friends and family with everyone standing there, well, if you wanted to back out you could not, and most of them are divorced now, yet, so am I, I think that part of the mormon church might be a little special, yet, what really happens at a temple wedding, I was told by my ex's family you are never to talk about it, it is private.

Jennifer
Still keeping my Lipton
http://givenright.tripod.com

 

[Blackrook]

I am an attorney in Las Vegas working at a lawfirm where all the attorneys except for me are Mormons (LDS). They are very nice people and do not try to convert me to their church. They know I am a devout Catholic and respect that.

Since joining the firm, I have investigated the Mormon church and have been surpised how their beliefs are so different from mainstream Christianity. I think they try to underplay those differences when they approach people.