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@TLK Valentine and @PloverWing I wanted to suggest that you both watch this video. Share it with someone that you know who identifies as trans, although you'll probably not take me up on that.
Very interesting video, I thought he made some very good points. That’s why when I refer to somebody, I refer to their biology instead of their gender. Some people have changed the definition of gender to mean something that is not a reference to sex or biology so to refrain from any confusion, I no longer address gender. If I refer to a biological woman as “she” and I am accused of
mis-gendering them, I will make it clear I was not referring to their gender but their biology. Consistent with science, humans are mammals, and all mammals be it dogs, cats, apes, or even humans; are biologically male, female, or intersex (intersex being a deformity) so there is no confusion as to who can or cannot get pregnant, because nobody decides their biology.
@TLK Valentine and @PloverWing I wanted to suggest that you both watch this video. Share it with someone that you know who identifies as trans, although you'll probably not take me up on that.
The reason I didn’t say anything about the shape of their reproductive organs is because it is a lot more than that. If you have XX Chromosomes rather than XY, if you have a uterus instead of a prostate, if you have a natural testosterone level of 15-25 instead of 900-1200, If you have ovaries, Fallopian tubes, and a natural estrogen level of somewhere between 150-200, (I could go on and on, but I think you get the point) you are a biological female, not a male; and this is regardless of what is going on inside of your head. You know how they say science is real? Well, I like to go with the science, and biology is science, gender the way they are redefining it is not.Just out of curiosity, why do you think that the shape of their reproductive organs is a better way to determine how to refer to them than what they actually tell you about their gender identity?
How in the world do you know all that information about every person you've referred to as "he" or "she"?!The reason I didn’t say anything about the shape of their reproductive organs is because it is a lot more than that. If you have XX Chromosomes rather than XY, if you have a uterus instead of a prostate, if you have a natural testosterone level of 15-25 instead of 900-1200, If you have ovaries, Fallopian tubes, and a natural estrogen level of somewhere between 150-200, (I could go on and on, but I think you get the point) you are a biological female, not a male; and this is regardless of what is going on inside of your head. You know how they say science is real? Well, I like to go with the science, and biology is science, gender the way they are redefining it is not.
because they are human.How in the world do you know all that information about every person you've referred to as "he" or "she"?!
It would be nice to not have they/them pronouns (to impose a new language on others to adopt). Even if you want to say it can be used as singular. The issue is that it creates unnecessary verbiage. Less is more.
Let's turn your example around. Suppose a kid has only 1 leg and wants to walk like other kids. So the kid wants a prosthetic. And the parents provide for the prosthetic. Is that an immature kid?
The only reason I was reducing womanhood to egg carrier is because to progressives (and confused minded conservatives for that matter, like Caitlyn Jenner), that’s the one thing they can’t do anything about—a biological man (trans woman) can never mimic every behavioral characteristic. They may practice talking in a softer tone or practice their gait, but it’s about all they can do.
Another thing, gender reassignment surgery can’t even come close if we’re just considering differences in bone structure. You might have aesthetic differences in the resulting surgical procedures, like giving the appearance of breasts, but guess what? They will never lactate. I could go on and on if I were a biologist. And sure, I left out older women when making my point, but in a way I didn’t. While older women go through menopause, there was a period in their life when they menstruated to get to that stage in life.
Why is any of this important? Trans persons surely know their biological limitations in regards to the gender they identify as. What is the harm in just letting a trans woman call herself a woman or a trans man call himself a man?
The thing is, though, that the pronouns a person uses isn't about what's between their legs. It's about what their sense of self is saying.
I asked a "how" question, not a "why" question. Would you care to answer my question?because they are human.
I don't have all of that information on somebody before determining if they are male or female, I go strictly by the way they look. As a matter of fact, I've mistaken biological women for biological men before based on how they look, So I can be wrong.I asked a "how" question, not a "why" question. Would you care to answer my question?
When it comes to intersex, genetically you’re either male or female. Androgen insensitivity syndrome for example, I have not learned much about this subject, there are degrees of this dysfunction. Sorry, this subject might be uncomfortable for some but I thought it was informative. From Wikipedia:I don't have all of that information on somebody before determining if they are male or female, I go strictly by the way they look. As a matter of fact, I've mistaken biological women for biological men before based on how they look, So I can be wrong.
Hi Kylie,Would you care to provide a summary of this video?
Oxford English Dictionary:Don't sweat it. Languages do not complicate over time, they simplify.
"They/them" will become a normal part of speaking because it already was becoming that. Grammarians for years had been fighting a losing battle for consistent agreement of gender and number in pronouns. Non-grammarians have, for centuries, been using they/them as an all-purpose third-person pronoun. That's simpler, and that's the way languages go.
What is not going to stick is adding more pronouns to the language, particularly pronouns that will never be in consistent use. That's an unnecessary complication of the language (if only a fraction of a percent of the population desires it, it's unnecessary), and languages do not complicate over time, they simplify.
The reason I didn’t say anything about the shape of their reproductive organs is because it is a lot more than that. If you have XX Chromosomes rather than XY, if you have a uterus instead of a prostate, if you have a natural testosterone level of 15-25 instead of 900-1200, If you have ovaries, Fallopian tubes, and a natural estrogen level of somewhere between 150-200, (I could go on and on, but I think you get the point) you are a biological female, not a male; and this is regardless of what is going on inside of your head. You know how they say science is real? Well, I like to go with the science, and biology is science, gender the way they are redefining it is not.
What does that actually mean? Is that clinical "gender dysphoria?" If it isn't definable as gender dysphoria, then is it actually anything at all?
And if it's not clinically definable, why is anyone else obligated to observe it?
Gender dysphoria has been reported across many countries and cultures. Among individuals who are assigned male gender at birth, approximately 0.005 percent to 0.014 percent are diagnosed with gender dysphoria. Among individuals who are assigned female gender at birth, approximately 0.002 percent to 0.003 percent are diagnosed with gender dysphoria.
Polydactylism, the presence of a sixth finger, referred to as polydactyly, occurs in one in 3,000 births. 0.033%
More than twice as many people have six fingers than have gender dysphoria. How many times in your life have you seen someone with six fingers? Do we manufacture all gloves to accommodate that tiny percentage that has six fingers?
Oxford English Dictionary:
Singular they has become the pronoun of choice to replace he and she in cases where the gender of the antecedent – the word the pronoun refers to – is unknown, irrelevant, or nonbinary, or where gender needs to be concealed. It’s the word we use for sentences like Everyone loves his mother.
Werriam-Webster:
Though singular 'they' is old, 'they' as a nonbinary pronoun is new…The new use of they is direct, and it is for a person whose gender is known or knowable, but who does not identify as male or female. If I were introducing a friend who preferred to use the pronoun they, I would say, “This is my friend, Jay. I met them at work.”
From what I’m getting, to use they as a nonbinary pronoun, that is new, and I think 2010 new. And that’s what I have in mind in particular. Using they for other reasons might be for example, describing someone you had a brief encounter with and their face was covered. Obviously an interaction like that would mean you can only say so much. But I think it complicates English to use they frequently as it comes off sounding more incessant.
Are you actually suggesting that because it's rare and there isn't a way to specifically define it that we should not bother respecting people when they say, "Please use these particular pronouns for me"?
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