To all Sabbatarians

[BigChrisfilm]

http://www.bible.ca/7-sabbath.htm

This guy claims "$10,000 for one Bible verse that proves the Sabbath!!!"

if you think you can, go get you some money.

 

[tall73]

http://www.bible.ca/7-sabbath.htm

This guy claims "$10,000 for one Bible verse that proves the Sabbath!!!"

if you think you can, go get you some money.

He is about as likely to pay up as the evangelists who give the reverse offer.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

try it
lol. I'm not going to get into a discussing about whos wrong or right or anything, I just thought it was interesting.

 

[ttreg]

lol man THAT site that ive explored that site......full of half truths and lies

 

[BigChrisfilm]

really, that's not surprising to me I guess, what do you think they are lieing about?

 

[ttreg]

well one lie is that they say that SDAs beleive that sunday worshippers are the mark of the beast and we do not we beleive that sunday worshiping is the the mark but NO ONE has gotten it yet!

 

[BigChrisfilm]

I don't really see a differance in the two examples that you gave?

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Also why would worshiping on Sunday be the mark of the beast in the first place?

 

[ttreg]

they say worshippers but the truth is worshippING (once again no one has gotten it yet)

 

[ttreg]

i think it would be better for u to ask this in the SDA forum

 

[tall73]

i think it would be better for u to ask this in the SDA forum

That is the fun thing about GT. Once you put it out there, it is out there

 

[Kristofor]

its absolutely crazy that this guy can even go on with the stuff he does. He obviously hasn't researched his material, there is alot of things he says adventists believe but are not correct, so its quite absurd for him to talk like an authority. It is quite funny though what he mentions are the conditions for the 10,000,

Give us a single Bible verse where the weekly Sabbath commandment is quoted in the New Testament. (Almost all the 10 commandments are listed in the New Testament, find the 4th commandment quoted in the New Testament.)
Give us a single Bible verse after the resurrection of Christ, that says Christians should keep the Sabbath day. (Heb 4:9 is not the weekly Sabbath, but the eternal Sabbath rest in heaven. Looking carefully at the text, you will see four rests in Hebrews 4: 1. Eternal rest in heaven. 2. The creation rest of God in Gen 2:2. 3. Canaan rest in the promised land for the Jews that Joshua gave: Deut. 12:9-10. 4. 7th day Sabbath rest. Hebrews 4 shows that the weekly Sabbath was merely one of three anti-types of our eternal Sabbath rest in heaven! It certainly cannot be a command to keep the weekly Sabbath!)
Give us a single Bible verse where exclusively Christians came together on the Sabbath day as a church or prayer meeting after the resurrection of Christ. (We have an example of a church meeting with exclusively Christians were in the audience who came together for the purpose of partaking of the Lord’s supper and preaching on the first day of the week, Sunday, in Acts 20:7. Paul preaching to Jews on the Sabbath to convert them, is not an example of the church meeting on the Sabbath day, but is an example of Paul going into a Jewish worship service.)
Give us a single Bible verse where the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the ten commandments, is found in the book of Genesis. (Sabbatarian preachers always say that Adam and Abraham kept the Sabbath, yet offer no proof! Sabbatarians will find the common word for "rest" in Genesis, but never the special word for the weekly Sabbath!)

Funny how he mentions acts 20:7 which has been taken out of context. Sure it says the first day of the week, but there is nothing to say that it was a church service, and even if so, there is nothing that says you must only worship on the sabbath day, worshipping other days is fine aslong as you remember the sabbath day as God intended. I go to church every sabbath to my local adventist church, but I also do heaps of things throughout the week and meet with fellow believers and worship and study, like many other people do from other religions.

It really annoys me when people take stuff out of context...

 

[UUall]

its absolutely crazy that this guy can even go on with the stuff he does. He obviously hasn't researched his material, there is alot of things he says adventists believe but are not correct, so its quite absurd for him to talk like an authority. It is quite funny though what he mentions are the conditions for the 10,000,

Give us a single Bible verse where the weekly Sabbath commandment is quoted in the New Testament. (Almost all the 10 commandments are listed in the New Testament, find the 4th commandment quoted in the New Testament.)
Give us a single Bible verse after the resurrection of Christ, that says Christians should keep the Sabbath day. (Heb 4:9 is not the weekly Sabbath, but the eternal Sabbath rest in heaven. Looking carefully at the text, you will see four rests in Hebrews 4: 1. Eternal rest in heaven. 2. The creation rest of God in Gen 2:2. 3. Canaan rest in the promised land for the Jews that Joshua gave: Deut. 12:9-10. 4. 7th day Sabbath rest. Hebrews 4 shows that the weekly Sabbath was merely one of three anti-types of our eternal Sabbath rest in heaven! It certainly cannot be a command to keep the weekly Sabbath!)
Give us a single Bible verse where exclusively Christians came together on the Sabbath day as a church or prayer meeting after the resurrection of Christ. (We have an example of a church meeting with exclusively Christians were in the audience who came together for the purpose of partaking of the Lord’s supper and preaching on the first day of the week, Sunday, in Acts 20:7. Paul preaching to Jews on the Sabbath to convert them, is not an example of the church meeting on the Sabbath day, but is an example of Paul going into a Jewish worship service.)
Give us a single Bible verse where the Hebrew word for the weekly Sabbath found in the ten commandments, is found in the book of Genesis. (Sabbatarian preachers always say that Adam and Abraham kept the Sabbath, yet offer no proof! Sabbatarians will find the common word for "rest" in Genesis, but never the special word for the weekly Sabbath!)

Funny how he mentions acts 20:7 which has been taken out of context. Sure it says the first day of the week, but there is nothing to say that it was a church service, and even if so, there is nothing that says you must only worship on the sabbath day, worshipping other days is fine aslong as you remember the sabbath day as God intended. I go to church every sabbath to my local adventist church, but I also do heaps of things throughout the week and meet with fellow believers and worship and study, like many other people do from other religions.

It really annoys me when people take stuff out of context...

Happy sabbath day to all

 

[UUall]

1 JOHN 2 [1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Keep His commandments! The fourth. The sabbath. Ill take a check.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

So, I guess I understand that you are saying the people who worship on the sabbath are not the mark of the beast, but that the ACT of worshiping on Sunday is the mark of the beast. Once again I find not a whole lot of differance.

 

[ThreeAM]

1 JOHN 2 [1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: [2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. [3] And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4] He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

Keep His commandments! The fourth. The sabbath. Ill take a check.

Ha Ha... He won't send it. A couple of years ago the same site was offering 5 or 10 million for the use of the word sabbath in Genesis I told him Genesis was written in Hebrew and the Hebrew word "shabath" in Gen 2:2 infact is translated into the word Sabbath in the Bible and Strong's says it means to "keep or observe the Sabbath." I haven't got my check yet. Now he has modified his request to the word used for Sabbath in the ten comandments "shabbath" which is the intensive form of the word "Shabath" . I didn't get a check but he did modify his offer.

 

[Kristofor]

The beneficent Creator, after the six days of Creation, rested on the seventh day and instituted the Sabbath for all people as a memorial of Creation. The fourth commandment of God's unchangeable law requires the observance of this seventh-day Sabbath as the day of rest, worship, and ministry in harmony with the teaching and practice of Jesus, the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a day of delightful communion with God and one another. It is a symbol of our redemption in Christ, a sign of our sanctification, a token of our allegiance, and a foretaste of our eternal future in God's kingdom. The Sabbath is God's perpetual sign of His eternal covenant between Him and His people. Joyful observance of this holy time from evening to evening, sunset to sunset, is a celebration of God's creative and redemptive acts.

(Biblical references: Gen. 2:1-3; Ex. 20:8-11; Luke 4:16; Isa. 56:5, 6; 58:13, 14; Matt. 12:1-12; Ex. 31:13-17; Eze. 20:12, 20; Deut. 5:12-15; Heb. 4:1-11; Lev. 23:32; Mark 1:32.)

I have nicely taken that fromt he adventist website adventist.org.au/about_adventists/beliefs#full. I am possitve that this proves his theory wrong. Anyway...his link doesnt work....funny how most people wont pay if they get contradicted or proved incorrect....hehehe.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

He's not completely proven incorrect, because we are not under the law anymore, but I agree it is funny for him to offer money for something like that, most anyone can prove anything by taking a bible verse out of context.

 

[Kristofor]

How do u mean we are not under the law. Mathew 5:17-20, Since when have we not been under the law of the commandments??? As Jesus in mathew pointed out he didnt come to change the law...so doesnt that mean that we are sitll under it?? Anyway your right, take soemthing out of context and you create problems. However that doesnt mean the whole bible was meant for the era it was written in because thats not the case.

 

[BigChrisfilm]

Or do you not know, brethren (for I am speaking to those who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over a person as long as he lives? For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released [Abolished: Strongs #2673 same as Eph 2:15] from the law concerning the husband. So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man. Therefore, my brethren, you also were made to die to the Law through the body of Christ, so that you might be joined to another, to Him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. For while we were in the flesh, the sinful passions, which were aroused by the Law, were at work in the members of our body to bear fruit for death. But now we have been released [Abolished: Strongs #2673 same as Eph 2:15] from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter. What shall we say then? Is the Law sin? May it never be! On the contrary, I would not have come to know sin except through the Law; for I would not have known about coveting if the Law had not said, "You shall not covet."" (Romans 7:1-7)