To all Mormons

[Abba]

How do you know that Joseph Smith was a real prophet? Couldnt he have been just making things up?

 

[AMMON]

Bring out the dead horse.

 

[Romans5:1]

Bring out the dead horse.

Then how about addressing my questions in reference to the Holy Spirit, since apparently you seem bored with this thread?

 

[Ran77]

How do you know that Joseph Smith was a real prophet? Couldnt he have been just making things up?

The BoM. I believe the BoM to be an inspired document that contains the word of God. My belief in the BoM leads me to trust that Joseph Smith was a prophet of God. I am convinced that the things that it contains could not have been invented by Joseph Smith.

 

[GOD'S ARMY]

I too would have to say the Book of Mormon. If I had no testimony of the BoM I would have no testimony of Joseph Smith. I have a testimony of the BoM because it has been masifest to me by the Holy Ghost. It is true that I cannot see the Holy Ghost, but I can feel his presence. Many cannot understand this and look for evidences they can see and feel. I have not seen God, but have felt his love through the Holy Ghost.

 

[Breetai]

How do you know that Joseph Smith was a real prophet? Couldnt he have been just making things up?

They believe that he was a real prophet because they have prayed about the Book of Mormon; to see if it is true. They then say that they recieve a nice warm feeling in their heart(the burning of the boson. This, the believe, is the Holy Spirit confirming to them the everything in the Book of Mormon(and therefore in the LDS Church as well) is true. Their entire testimony is based upon a nice feeling.

I too would have to say the Book of Mormon. If I had no testimony of the BoM I would have no testimony of Joseph Smith. I have a testimony of the BoM because it has been masifest to me by the Holy Ghost. It is true that I cannot see the Holy Ghost, but I can feel his presence. Many cannot understand this and look for evidences they can see and feel. I have not seen God, but have felt his love through the Holy Ghost.

Isn't that a nice feeling...

 

[Chaucer]

How do you know that Joseph Smith was a real prophet? Couldnt he have been just making things up?

I would think that it is in the same way that non-Mormon Christians (or Mormons too for that matter) know that Paul or Peter were called of Christ.

...matter of faith or acceptance of dogmatic assertion.

 

[Breetai]

I would think that it is in the same way that non-Mormon Christians (or Mormons too for that matter) know that Paul or Peter were called of Christ.

...matter of faith or acceptance of dogmatic assertion.

Are you Christian?

 

[Chaucer]

Are you Christian?

I'm happy to answer that but first you've got me a wondering... That's relevant because...?

 

[Breetai]

I would think that it is in the same way that non-Mormon Christians (or Mormons too for that matter) know that Paul or Peter were called of Christ.

...matter of faith or acceptance of dogmatic assertion.

Peter and Paul, we know, were called of Christ because it is stated in the Bible. This is not a matter of dogmatic assertaion, it's a matter of fact. Of course, I say this because I'm dogmatic in my faith in knowing that the Bible is the true word of God.

Anyway, I asked you that question because the way that you phrased your statement sounded like you were talking from outside of Christianity(and I mean orthodox Christianity). That's not to assume that you are ont Christian(as I call it).

It's relevent because it is unclear whether you are going to defend the claim of Joseph Smith being a prophet of God or rebuke it.

Oh ya, welcome to CF.

I didn't mean to give you such a lukewarm reception, but such is the nature of the unorthodox forum.

 

[Rescued One]

I'm happy to answer that but first you've got me a wondering... That's relevant because...?

To Christians, being one is never irrelevant!

 

[Breetai]

HAHA, you've been here since March Chaucer. You're still new to posting though

 

[Chaucer]

Peter and Paul, we know, were called of Christ because it is stated in the Bible. This is not a matter of dogmatic assertaion, it's a matter of fact. Of course, I say this because I'm dogmatic in my faith in knowing that the Bible is the true word of God.

Anyway, I asked you that question because the way that you phrased your statement sounded like you were talking from outside of Christianity(and I mean orthodox Christianity). That's not to assume that you are ont Christian(as I call it).

It's relevent because it is unclear whether you are going to defend the claim of Joseph Smith being a prophet of God or rebuke it.

Your asking because you wonder if I am going to defend or rebuke JS? Neither so the question isn't revelant, which is fine with me since I don't find labels particularly useful. I find the caliber of one's character and clarity for be more enlightening than what he chooses to call himself.

So it is certainly true that the collection of writings derived from non-original manuscripts (there are no original manuscripts of any biblical texts) that are now called the Bible indicate that Peter and Paul are called of Christ. That is a fact. But it is not a fact - independently testable - that Peter and Paul were indeed called of Christ.

Likewise, it is a fact that Mormon scripture says that Joseph Smith was a prophet but it is not an independently testable fact that we was indeed a prophet.

Both beliefs are matters of faith and dogmatic assertion.

 

[Chaucer]

...and thank you for the welcome. Yes, I joined some months ago but haven't yet become a regular. The board is a bit big to immediately feel at home.

 

[Breetai]

Likewise, it is a fact that Mormon scripture says that Joseph Smith was a prophet but it is not an independently testable fact that we was indeed a prophet.

Yes it is. He made predictions. They didn't come true. He was a false prophet.

As for Peter and Paul being called of Christ not being testable, why isn't it? It is talked about in more than one book, which have all been found copied in many different places in many different times, They back each other up, all saying that these men were called of Christ.

There IS evidence of these things. It is not a matter of faith alone that these things are true.

I don't find labels particularly useful.

You labeled yourself a Christian by using the Christian faith icon. Apparently you found this label particularly useful.

I find the caliber of one's character and clarity for be more enlightening than what he chooses to call himself.

Often times this is true, but not always. Are you what you call yourself?

 

[Breetai]

The board is a bit big to immediately feel at home.

It becomes quite small when you frequent here.

 

[Chaucer]

As for Peter and Paul being called of Christ not being testable, ]why isn't it? It is talked about in more than one book, which have all been found copied in many different places in many different times, They back each other up, all saying that these men were called of Christ.

Because outside the realm of faith there is no test. It doesn't matter if they are talked about in one book or one hundred. Being talked about in a book proves only that they are talked about in a book.

You labeled yourself a Christian by using the Christian faith icon. Apparently you found this label particularly useful....

Are you what you call yourself?

Yes, I'd had forgotten about that. If you are asking if I am dishonest, then you'll probably not get a lot of help from me in insulting me.

 

[Chaucer]

To Christians, being one is never irrelevant!

Not to the Christian but it is not particularly relevent situationally. If you doubt me, next time order a Burrito Supreme at Taco Bell, add that you are a Christian and see if it affect eh burrito.

 

[Rescued One]

Not to the Christian but it is not particularly relevent situationally. If you doubt me, next time order a Burrito Supreme at Taco Bell, add that you are a Christian and see if it affect eh burrito.

Aren't you the cheery sort?

 

[skylark1]

Not to the Christian but it is not particularly relevent situationally. If you doubt me, next time order a Burrito Supreme at Taco Bell, add that you are a Christian and see if it affect eh burrito.

Hi Chaucer,

Welcome to CF.

Whether or not one is a Christian may not hold much relevance when ordering at Taco Bell, but it is relevant when posting on a Christian board. Wouldn't you agree?