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Seems to me that this shows Leo XIII knew the difference between himself and the Godhead.
CaDan said:Context of the statement indicates that this is not a claim to the Godhead.
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13praec.htm
But since We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty, Who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the Truth, and now that Our advanced age and the bitterness of anxious cares urge Us on towards the end common to every mortal, We feel drawn to follow the example of Our Redeemer and Master, Jesus Christ, Who, when about to return to Heaven, implored of God, His Father, in earnest Prayer, that His Disciples and followers should be of one mind and of one heart: I pray . . . that they all may be one, as Thou Father in Me, and I in Thee: that they also may be one in Us. And as this Divine Prayer and Supplication does not include only the souls who then believed in Jesus Christ, but also every one of those who were henceforth to believe in Him, this Prayer holds out to Us no indifferent reason for confidently expressing Our hopes, and for making all possible endeavors in order that the men of every race and clime should be called and moved to embrace the Unity of Divine Faith.
Also consider the conclusion:
Seems to me that this shows Leo XIII knew the difference between himself and the Godhead.
May God, Who is rich in Mercy, and in Whose Power are the times and moments, grant Our wishes and desires, and in His great Goodness, hasten the fulfillment of that Divine Promise of Jesus Christ: There will be One Fold and One Shepherd.
Leo? You mean when it suited him.CaDan said:Context of the statement indicates that this is not a claim to the Godhead.
But since We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty, Who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the Truth, and now that Our advanced age and the bitterness of anxious cares urge Us on towards the end common to every mortal, We feel drawn to follow the example of Our Redeemer and Master, Jesus Christ, Who, when about to return to Heaven, implored of God, His Father, in earnest Prayer, that His Disciples and followers should be of one mind and of one heart: I pray . . . that they all may be one, as Thou Father in Me, and I in Thee: that they also may be one in Us. And as this Divine Prayer and Supplication does not include only the souls who then believed in Jesus Christ, but also every one of those who were henceforth to believe in Him, this Prayer holds out to Us no indifferent reason for confidently expressing Our hopes, and for making all possible endeavors in order that the men of every race and clime should be called and moved to embrace the Unity of Divine Faith.
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13praec.htm
Also consider the conclusion:
May God, Who is rich in Mercy, and in Whose Power are the times and moments, grant Our wishes and desires, and in His great Goodness, hasten the fulfillment of that Divine Promise of Jesus Christ: There will be One Fold and One Shepherd.
Seems to me that this shows Leo XIII knew the difference between himself and the Godhead.
Leo? You mean when it suited him.
Can you just visualize Ratzinger throwing his weight around in heaven?
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".
I'm trying to visualize this. The pope telling God what to do.
Or may be that's not what having ALL POWER means?[/FONT]
As in "me and Jesus."Redwolf said:A relationship with Christ is not Borg. It is one on one.
Jesus said:Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one
Those guys sound a little Borgish to me. Good thing we have the corrected modern take on this- God forbid we should lose our sacred individuality and simply become The People (of God).Paul said:There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
Perhaps we have what we need, and the rest is modifying what should not have been said to begin with.jckstraw72 said:perhaps you should try giving us the full quote, rather than one line.
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Rdr Iakovos said:As in "me and Jesus."
Those guys sound a little Borgish to me. Good thing we have the corrected modern take on this- God forbid we should lose our sacred individuality and simply become The People (of God).
Redwolf said:Leo? You mean when it suited him.
Can you just visualize Ratzinger throwing his weight around in heaven?
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." Pope Pius V, quoted in Barclay, Chapter XXVII, p. 218, "Cities Petrus Bertanous".
I'm trying to visualize this. The pope telling God what to do.
Or may be that's not what having ALL POWER means?
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Oblio said:/me looks under the Group W Bench
Perhaps we have what we need, and the rest is modifying what should not have been said to begin with.
Especially since your choochoo has never left the station.
Redwolf said:Interesting slant you put on that scripture.
"For God so loved the world, that WHOSOEVER believes...........
would indicate that I am saved as an individual, will answer for my sins as an individual, and will not chug chug into heaven on the Catholic choochoo.
As an individual, I might or might not, fellowship with other believers. But, I'm not saved because they believe, but because I BELIEVE.
Especially since your choochoo has never left the station.
Ahhhhhhhhh! The "you're a liar' tactic".jckstraw72 said:that doesnt even make sense. i hope you get paid for lying about the RCC cause ya do it an often lot.
are you seriously incapable of looking at faith icons? ORTHODOX AND CATHOLIC ARE NOT THE SAME
jckstraw72 said:si si. its what happens when you lie. try telling the truth about the RCC, then see what people say!
In the famous words of Jack Nicholson
You can't handle the truth.
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