Tired of the Confusion

Ohioprof · Nov 10, 2007

lincolngreen50 said:
I agree with you , thank you, you have just agreed with the prophecy of Revelation.
The Apostate Church will rise ,it is doing that as we speak.
Most will twist Gods Word in the last days and it will all come to a head at the field of Armageddon.
But God will be victorious and Jesus will rule

This is not the "apostate church." The churches that support and accept gay people as we are are the progressive churches, the churches that act in the tradition of the Social Gospel. These churches are leading the way in working for social justice. Many of the more conservative churches also do good work for social justice, but they get sidetracked by trying to change gay people into heterosexuals, for no good reason and without success. Better for all Christians to work together to solve real social problems, like reducing poverty, ending the war, integrating and improving the public schools, and providing health care for all.

Floatingaxe · Nov 10, 2007

Ohioprof said:
Changing people's attitudes towards gay people works for me. I am encouraging Christians to stop preaching at gay people that our love is "sinful" and to accept gay people as we are. That is gradually happening, as Christians look at their opposition to same-sex relationships and realize that this opposition makes no sense.

The growing apostasy, folks.

Same-sex relationships harm no one,

False.

and thay are a positive thing for society.

False.

Gay families raise children, and provide wonderful homes in many cases for adopted children.

False.

Most gay people are good, decent citizens who believe in marriage and stable families, and who want to get married and create stable families.

The desire for family is good, but decency is absent.

Many gay people are avid supporters of churches that accept us for who we are.

Of course. Apostatic churches. Jesus doesn't go to them.

The tide is turning. Attitudes are changing among people across America and in other nations, most of whom are Christians.

The tide is turning because of the sinful coindition of the world. People are spiritually starving, and without Christ.

You may hang onto your particular interpretation of the Bible until the cows come home, but the world is changing around you, and it's for the better when it comes to the treatment of and acceptance of gay people. When Christians everywhere accept gay people, and we focus on problems that really are problems, then we will all win, including you.

We hang onto truth, not interpretation. what you do is re-interpret to suit your fanciful lifestyle. Fables.

Yes, the world is changing--it is becoming more and more like the cesspool that is prophesied about in Scripture. The world is seeing moral relativism by the truckload...and in this very website.

Floatingaxe · Nov 10, 2007

Ohioprof said:
I will not be thrown into the abyss. I am happy with my life, which is a blessing from God, and I do not fear death.

You should, OP.

Floatingaxe · Nov 10, 2007

Ohioprof said:
This is not the "apostate church." The churches that support and accept gay people as we are are the progressive churches, the churches that act in the tradition of the Social Gospel. These churches are leading the way in working for social justice. Many of the more conservative churches also do good work for social justice, but they get sidetracked by trying to change gay people into heterosexuals, for no good reason and without success. Better for all Christians to work together to solve real social problems, like reducing poverty, ending the war, integrating and improving the public schools, and providing health care for all.

Yes, let's all join your church which never goes out and tells people about salvation in Jesus Christ. It might detract from all the social causes you are bound to.

That is not the kind of Church that glorifies Him. He hates it. Sacrificing the message of the Cross to on the pyre of social justice as you perceive it, is apostasy in action!

You have nothing more than a mere social club, with a bit of political action--it's sickening.

Jobina · Nov 10, 2007

BigBadWlf said:
I understand your fears and concerns. I would have to think they are universal among homosexuals. But what is also universal is the love of God.

And I truly believe that you will find someone very worthy to love someday. And when that happens you can be sure God sent him to you.

You are concerned about what others will think.

I have several points to make

One: this is your life to live, not theirs. To quote Eleanor Roosevelt:” it is better to be hated for being who you are then loved for being who you are not.” be yourself and be honest.

Two: give your family some credit. They love you (I am assuming they do) and that means they love YOU, just as you are. 1 Corinthians says that Love does not demand its own way. Love does not involve demanding others be miserable or lie or live in denial. If someone is insisting something like that, then they are not being motivated by love or anything like it.

Three: there are millions of gay Christians they fond peace and happiness with God and I am sure you can too. And if you are being attacked by someone claiming to represent God, chances are they aren’t representing God at all.

LETS END THE CONFUSION
Romans 1:27 (NIV)
"27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion"

Ohioprof · Nov 10, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
The growing apostasy, folks.

False.

False.

False.

The desire for family is good, but decency is absent.

Of course. Apostatic churches. Jesus doesn't go to them.

The tide is turning because of the sinful coindition of the world. People are spiritually starving, and without Christ.

We hang onto truth, not interpretation. what you do is re-interpret to suit your fanciful lifestyle. Fables.

Yes, the world is changing--it is becoming more and more like the cesspool that is prophesied about in Scripture. The world is seeing moral relativism by the truckload...and in this very website.

All reading of any text is interpretation. You indeed interpret the Bible, and you mistake your particular beliefs for "truth." They are just your beliefs, no more or less true than anyone else's beliefs.

Ohioprof · Nov 10, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
Yes, let's all join your church which never goes out and tells people about salvation in Jesus Christ. It might detract from all the social causes you are bound to.

That is not the kind of Church that glorifies Him. He hates it. Sacrificing the message of the Cross to on the pyre of social justice as you perceive it, is apostasy in action!

You have nothing more than a mere social club, with a bit of political action--it's sickening.

If you find my church "sickening," then you don't have to go to my church. That's religious freedom.

Ohioprof · Nov 10, 2007

Speaking of my church, we are off to a church event. Have a wonderful evening, everyone.

Floatingaxe · Nov 10, 2007

Ohioprof said:
All reading of any text is interpretation. You indeed interpret the Bible, and you mistake your particular beliefs for "truth." They are just your beliefs, no more or less true than anyone else's beliefs.

I make no mistake, for the Lord God has given the truth plainly for all--even a child can understand it.

Jesus Christ lives inside me in the form of His Holy Spirit. That is His promise to all who believe on His name. His Spirit communes with mine. There is no mistaking His voice, my dear. The tri=ouble comes when one supplants His voice with one's own, or listens to the voice of the enemy--Satan.

God is not hard to know. Man makes it hard.

Floatingaxe · Nov 10, 2007

Ohioprof said:
If you find my church "sickening," then you don't have to go to my church. That's religious freedom.

It's not a church. It's a social club.

Jobina · Nov 10, 2007

DesignerNate said:
Hey Everyone,

I have been posting on this board for a bit now, I have explained that While I struggle with Homosexuality I ultimately considered it against God's will. However recently I have just gotten tired holding up this belief. See one thing you have to know about me is that while I have had a sexual attraction toward men, I have never pursued any kind of romantic relationship with another man. While I have many good friends that are men, most of me really wants an exclusive relationship with another man.

The main reason I have been afraid of pursuing this is because I fear what my parents and family will think, what a lot of my Christian friends will think and ultimately what God will think. But with that fear am I supposed to deny myself true happiness? I guess I am just tired of living life alone. I don't want to just abandon God, I want to ultimately follow God's will for my life, but I guess I just have trouble seeing why homosexuality is so wrong (if it is), and I am tired of feeling like I have to change something that wasn't truly my choice to begin with. Also I haven't really had much success with actually changing my feelings toward men. While I think its valuable to fully examine your heart, it doesn't change that at the end of the day my longing is still for a male companion.

Here's my biggest concern, If homosexuality is wrong, than why is it something that at the core doesn't seem to go away? For example, while I can deny entertaining homosexual thoughts (i.e. that guy is hot), It doesn't change the fact that I initially felt that way. Heterosexuals don't have to feel bad for having the same thought towards a woman, but ultimately homosexuals must change and feel sinful? Now I have been trying to understand the nature of my attraction for years now, trying to heal the burdens that may have influenced me to be attracted to men. As far as I have come in that process, that core feeling has NEVER gone away. Even when I was fully convinced that homosexuality was wrong and sinful, if an attractive guy walked by I would always get that initial form of attraction.

So were you ever confused with the morality of homosexuality? What helped you become clear? If you think its okay to be gay and Christian, why? Likewise if you think it isn't okay, what is your reasons as well? I would preferably like to hear from people who have struggled over whether its right or wrong so I can get a clear sense of what kind of process you went through to arrive to your conclusion. Thanks for reading, hope to hear from you.

YES JESUS CHRIST LOVES YOU...ENOUGH TO WANT TO CHANGE YOU...THAT GOES OUT TO HETEROSEXUALS AS WELL SIN IS SIN AND IF WE ARE WATERING DOWN THE LOVE OF CHRIST JESUS TO SOME STATEMENT "I LOVE YOU" THEN WE ARE WASTING OUR TIME AS CHRISTIANS "For GOD so loved the world that He gave"-John 3:16
GOD's love destroyed the devil, so we can be free from homosexual as well as heterosexual addictions.

Jobina · Nov 10, 2007

ChaliceThunder said:
Au contraire.

I am here to witness to the liberating power of Christ.

We are called to be who we are, as he created us.

Being gay is not sin. Protest it all you want, but you will always and forever be deceived.

LET GOD SPEAK FOR HIMSELF:
ROMANS 1:27:
"27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion

davedjy · Nov 10, 2007

Jobina said:
LET GOD SPEAK FOR HIMSELF:
ROMANS 1:27:
"27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion

That whole argument in the verse is based upon the faulty notion that gays and lesbians have abandoned a natural use (their natural instincts) to be with a person of the same sex. Phusis and Phusikos are the Greek words in this Bible text, which mean the person's natural instinct, and natural disposition. Gays and lesbians do not go against their natural instincts, to be with someone of the same sex.

Floatingaxe · Nov 10, 2007

davedjy said:
That whole argument in the verse is based upon the faulty notion that gays and lesbians have abandoned a natural use (their natural instincts) to be with a person of the same sex. Phusis and Phusikos are the Greek words in this Bible text, which mean the person's natural instinct, and natural disposition. Gays and lesbians do not go against their natural instincts, to be with someone of the same sex.

I don't believe that interpretation whatsoever. You are reaching!

Floatingaxe · Nov 10, 2007

onemessiah said:
So explain to me, what is immoral about homosexuality?

Homosexuality is immoral because it goes against God. Sexual sins are IMMORALITY. See below:

im·mo·ral·i·ty

Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[im-uh-ral-i-tee, im-aw-]Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
noun, plural -ties. 1.immoral quality, character, or conduct; wickedness; evilness. 2.sexual misconduct. 3.an immoral act.

united4Peace · Nov 10, 2007

DesignerNate said:
Hey Everyone,

I have been posting on this board for a bit now, I have explained that While I struggle with Homosexuality I ultimately considered it against God's will. However recently I have just gotten tired holding up this belief. See one thing you have to know about me is that while I have had a sexual attraction toward men, I have never pursued any kind of romantic relationship with another man. While I have many good friends that are men, most of me really wants an exclusive relationship with another man.

The main reason I have been afraid of pursuing this is because I fear what my parents and family will think, what a lot of my Christian friends will think and ultimately what God will think. But with that fear am I supposed to deny myself true happiness? I guess I am just tired of living life alone. I don't want to just abandon God, I want to ultimately follow God's will for my life, but I guess I just have trouble seeing why homosexuality is so wrong (if it is), and I am tired of feeling like I have to change something that wasn't truly my choice to begin with. Also I haven't really had much success with actually changing my feelings toward men. While I think its valuable to fully examine your heart, it doesn't change that at the end of the day my longing is still for a male companion.

Here's my biggest concern, If homosexuality is wrong, than why is it something that at the core doesn't seem to go away? For example, while I can deny entertaining homosexual thoughts (i.e. that guy is hot), It doesn't change the fact that I initially felt that way. Heterosexuals don't have to feel bad for having the same thought towards a woman, but ultimately homosexuals must change and feel sinful? Now I have been trying to understand the nature of my attraction for years now, trying to heal the burdens that may have influenced me to be attracted to men. As far as I have come in that process, that core feeling has NEVER gone away. Even when I was fully convinced that homosexuality was wrong and sinful, if an attractive guy walked by I would always get that initial form of attraction.

So were you ever confused with the morality of homosexuality? What helped you become clear? If you think its okay to be gay and Christian, why? Likewise if you think it isn't okay, what is your reasons as well? I would preferably like to hear from people who have struggled over whether its right or wrong so I can get a clear sense of what kind of process you went through to arrive to your conclusion. Thanks for reading, hope to hear from you.

Why not try going to Church...there are Christian Churches that are accepting...
http://lgbt.eom.dc.gov/lgbt/cwp/view,a,3,q,554396,lgbtNav,%7C32273%7C,.asp

http://www.wabaptists.org/wachurches.htm

http://www.gladalliance.org/oaa.html

Talk to a Minister...Pray...and find yourself...dont rush into a relationship with anyone...male or female...
Maybe your Homosexual, maybe your bisexual, Maybe your Heterosexual...only you know(though from your OP sounds as though your Homosexual)...right now you sound confused and hurt...
Right now the important thing is finding yourself...
Goodluck on your journey

united4Peace · Nov 10, 2007

Ohioprof said:
Speaking of my church, we are off to a church event. Have a wonderful evening, everyone.

And yes it is a Church...a social club doesnt go out and preach Jesus's message of doing good for others...
Jesus helped the poor, the needy, the dying...that's what Churches do...they arent just meant for the rich people dressed to the nines on Sunday morning who live perfect lives in $400 000 homes with $50 000+ SUV's

Floatingaxe · Nov 10, 2007

united4Peace said:
And yes it is a Church...a social club doesnt go out and preach Jesus's message of doing good for others...
Jesus helped the poor, the needy, the dying...that's what Churches do...they arent just meant for the rich people dressed to the nines on Sunday morning who live perfect lives in $400 000 homes with $50 000+ SUV's

Yes, you are right!

However OP doesn't believe in spreading the Gospel, or in the Bible. So... what kind of church would that be then?

united4Peace · Nov 10, 2007

Floatingaxe said:
Yes, you are right!

However OP doesn't believe in spreading the Gospel, or in the Bible. So... what kind of church would that be then?

OP as in Original Poster or OhioProf?

From my understanding the OP as in Original Poster is confused and on a journey which I wish him luck in finding...God is with him whether he knows it or not on the journey

OP OhioProf from my understanding is a Unitarian(there are different types of Unitarians).
Christian Unitarians believe in and do follow Christ's path...
She sounds like a Christian Unitarian (she can speak for herself Im sure), however nonetheless...I would say it doesnt matter, but that is MO and MOO

Floatingaxe · Nov 10, 2007

united4Peace said:
OP as in Original Poster or OhioProf?

The latter.

OP OhioProf from my understanding is a Unitarian(there are different types of Unitarians).
Christian Unitarians believe in and do follow Christ's path...
She sounds like a Christian Unitarian

No, Ohioprof is a Universalist. She does speak for herself.

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