Time Travel, Temporal Paradox...

[Neogaia777]

Say you invented a time machine in one timeline, and tried to us it to go back to the past, and change something, anything really, (that timeline) would you really be able to or not...?

You invented the thing in one timeline, so how could you use that thing to go back and change anything, because it was that original or previous timeline that caused you to invent the thing in the first place, and if you changed it or that...?

Anyway, what would happen if you could, either go back and try to change it or build a time machine that would allow you to go back in time to try and change it, anyway, if you could do that at all, would you be able to change it or anything...?

It's a paradox you see...

I don't think time travel is or would ever be possible due to this, I think our course is fixed and has been fixed from the very beginning, that it (all) runs along one fixed path of line from the very beginning, even every littlest thing, and due to that, there is really no such thing as choice, not really anyway, and I do not think you could ever go back and change it, even you could build a time machine, or go back in time somehow...

What do you think would happen if one could though (build a time machine, let's say) and what would happen if you used or tried to use it to go back in time...?

Would you go out of existence, or at least, this existence maybe...? or go beyond this existence maybe...?

What do you think would happen, if it was even possible...?

And, do you think it is or would or might be possible "one day" maybe, or not...?

And again, what would happen if you could, or did...?

God Bless!

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

Yeah, that's a time-traveler's paradox. Basically, if someone did go back in time it would create a miraculous point in history where an un-caused object appeared and began doing things that were not the result of previous events. The point in the future, where he was when he disappeared, would have causes with no effects to follow. He might have his own personal timeline, but the master timeline would have been violated in this way.

What that would give you is an apparent un-caused cause, at least from the perspective of the master timeline. Right now, our only first cause is God, when he created the universe, or at any point when he performed a miracle. I'm inclined to think, therefore, that only God can go back in time. This brings me to the question, naturally, as to whether we could ask him to go back in time on our behalf and do what we could not do. If he did, then the unwanted event would not have happened, therefore we would not have asked, and we would not have known that he did anything. I have had dreams of this sort, where I prayed that God would change the past, and then I awoke, and the "past" was changed.

Another notion would be that you could spiritually go back in time to any point when your body existed, which would avoid the un-caused cause problem, but then you would not remember going back in time, and you would be exactly the same as you were then, and you would end up making the same mistake. For all I know, we might actually be capable of that, but it would be meaningless if we could do it.

It's a complex subject. All I know is that if I could travel through time, I would not accept Hawking's invitation to time travelers. I would rather meet with someone who actually accomplished something, and first on my list is Jesus. After that, who cares.

 

[trophy33]

Our conciousness is "flowing" from one time frame to another, as we grow in our physical bodies. We exist in "now".

Even though there are still time frames from your childhood present in the space time line, you (your soul, your awareness) is not present there anymore.

Therefore, if you would travel to the past, you would met only physical body of yourself as a child, not your soul, so, it would be like being in a museum of bodies, but without any interaction with them. You could only watch the past, but they would be just "mindless" robots that are not experiencing anything anymore.

 

[Neogaia777]

You made or came up with the "thing" because of the "course" or whatever, the "it" was on, or was going, so how could use the "thing" to go back and change it...

The Paradox...

But what do you think would happen if you could though...?

God Bless!

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

In science fiction there are a number of solutions to the paradox - in one version there's a single time track, and if you go back in time, then it follows that at the point you start up your time machine, the future you is already in the past, and your actions when you go back to be that time traveller must already be pre-determined, so whether you're aware of it or not, whatever you do can't/doesn't change anything from the time you arrive in the past through to the time you left for the past - so, for example, you can't and didn't stop yourself travelling back in time.

However, in this version, if you travelled a relatively short distance back in time, you could then have your adventures in the past and wait until the time you had been/were about to travel back, then meet your younger self and tell him everything that had happened during your time in the past... if you'd had a 'bad trip', your younger self might decide not to travel back in time after all, and so the time-travelling you would suddenly(?) cease to exist - along with anything he did while time-travelling.

This way you could build a functional time machine and change the world by not travelling back in time (on the advice of an older you that no longer existed). Then you could change your mind, and decide to travel back further to have different adventures, only to have that older time-travelling version of you burst in and tell you another horror story, at which point you might decide not to go back again, erasing the second time-travelling you and all his actions, and so changing the world yet again by doing... nothing.

Alternatively, by repeatedly travelling a short distance back in time, you could create multiple copies of yourself with slightly different ages, all living at the same point in time, e.g. you could have a football team of you's.

Another version suggests that as soon as you travel back in time, you branch the universe in two - the original timeline where you weren't in the past, and a timeline where you time-travelled and went into the past. This way, you could travel back in time in one timeline and stop yourself travelling back in time in the alternate timeline your journey created, without causing any problems (other than having two versions of yourself alive in a single timeline).

The simplest version only allows you indirect sensory experience of the past, but not have any physical presence, like a VR experience.

I've always been puzzled by how going back in time would work; jumping back to an earlier time without traversing the intervening period seems tricky - where would you end up? the Earth rotates and orbits the sun, and the solar system and galaxy are moving through space; if you weren't careful, you'd end up in interplanetary space or interstellar space, or you could materialise in the middle of a planet or the sun...

On the other hand, if travelling back in time was like a reversal of travelling forward in time (possibly accelerated), i.e. you passed through every moment in time but in the reverse direction, you'd have the problem that as soon as you flipped the 'on' switch and reversed temporal direction, you'd be occupying the same space as you were the moment you'd just flipped the switch, with unpleasant results.

 

[Kaon]

Say you invented a time machine in one timeline, and tried to us it to go back to the past, and change something, anything really, (that timeline) would you really be able to or not...?

You invented the thing in one timeline, so how could you use that thing to go back and change anything, because it was that original or previous timeline that caused you to invent the thing in the first place, and if you changed it or that...?

Anyway, what would happen if you could, either go back and try to change it or build a time machine that would allow you to go back in time to try and change it, anyway, if you could do that at all, would you be able to change it or anything...?

It's a paradox you see...

I don't think time travel is or would ever be possible due to this, I think our course is fixed and has been fixed from the very beginning, that it (all) runs along one fixed path of line from the very beginning, even every littlest thing, and due to that, there is really no such thing as choice, not really anyway, and I do not think you could ever go back and change it, even you could build a time machine, or go back in time somehow...

What do you think would happen if one could though (build a time machine, let's say) and what would happen if you used or tried to use it to go back in time...?

Would you go out of existence, or at least, this existence maybe...? or go beyond this existence maybe...?

What do you think would happen, if it was even possible...?

And, do you think it is or would or might be possible "one day" maybe, or not...?

And again, what would happen if you could, or did...?

God Bless!

Time travel is definitely possible - including traveling back in time. Time is not linear; it is hyperbolic, parabolic and elliptical. We perceive time in straight lines in the same way that you can always get a straight line from a curved line - by making sure the interval is small enough. Our ability to perceive only small bits of time evolution prevent us from being overwhelmed by the gravity of action.

Time is also not a dimension, and really doesn't exist. At least, it is not what we think it is. When we say "time travel," we are talking about ways in which we can "ride" along the curvature that evolves action. When you "change time," you aren't doing anything but action. In other words, changing the past will change the future you perceive, because you will see one of the facets of time that is not linear.

When you can see time as non-linear - even for a bit, you will see that things like "now, then and later" are words we have developed to describe our understanding of the evolution of our actions (time). It gives our actions meaning under the net gravity of action.

You can travel along the curvature without the body (astral), or with the body (TT as we know it). John's prophecy, for example, is time travel without the body. He saw the end of the world without actually leaving Patmos.

 

[Neogaia777]

Cool stuff guys, really, thanks,

God Bless!

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Say you invented a time machine in one timeline, and tried to us it to go back to the past, and change something, anything really, (that timeline) would you really be able to or not...?

You invented the thing in one timeline, so how could you use that thing to go back and change anything, because it was that original or previous timeline that caused you to invent the thing in the first place, and if you changed it or that...?

Anyway, what would happen if you could, either go back and try to change it or build a time machine that would allow you to go back in time to try and change it, anyway, if you could do that at all, would you be able to change it or anything...?

It's a paradox you see...

I don't think time travel is or would ever be possible due to this, I think our course is fixed and has been fixed from the very beginning, that it (all) runs along one fixed path of line from the very beginning, even every littlest thing, and due to that, there is really no such thing as choice, not really anyway, and I do not think you could ever go back and change it, even you could build a time machine, or go back in time somehow...

What do you think would happen if one could though (build a time machine, let's say) and what would happen if you used or tried to use it to go back in time...?

Would you go out of existence, or at least, this existence maybe...? or go beyond this existence maybe...?

What do you think would happen, if it was even possible...?

And, do you think it is or would or might be possible "one day" maybe, or not...?

And again, what would happen if you could, or did...?

God Bless!

Time travel is a myth that belongs to Star Trek and other Science Fiction.
God is the only Person who is conscious of the "ever-present" involving past, present and future. Therefore He knows it all. But it doesn't mean that He travels into the past or future. He is in the same present as we are with a perfect memory of the past, and total foreknowledge of the future. But the future is still the future for Him, even though He knows every detail of what will happen in the future. God is not a time traveller, because He knows that it is impossible because the future doesn't exist yet, except in the mind and foreknowledge of God.

 

[Neogaia777]

Time travel is a myth that belongs to Star Trek and other Science Fiction.
God is the only Person who is conscious of the "ever-present" involving past, present and future. Therefore He knows it all. But it doesn't mean that He travels into the past or future. He is in the same present as we are with a perfect memory of the past, and total foreknowledge of the future. But the future is still the future for Him, even though He knows every detail of what will happen in the future. God is not a time traveller, because He knows that it is impossible because the future doesn't exist yet, except in the mind and foreknowledge of God.

I know all of that, don't fully understand all of it, but I know that...

This is mainly "just for fun", basically...

To get us thinking about, or along lines, that we maybe never considered before, to "expand our horizon's" or our thinking, basically...

Just mental exercise...

God Bless!