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<blockquote data-quote="dad" data-source="post: 74115603" data-attributes="member: 98011"><p>Empty words since science no more knows what time is than anyone else. </p><p> That is pure opinion. That suggests time itself does not exist, but is some human construct. That is all well and good, but has no validity as a definition of time itself. Of course we perceive time as a measurement, but that does not tell us anything about the nature of time itself. </p><p></p><p> Science doesn't realize anything about what time is only how it works and is measured and conceived. Now when talking about what time is in deep space, forget about it! You seem to think we can simply add it to maps or equations here as some mysterious dimension and call it a fundamental part of things...and then go on to declare all the universe the same for NO reason! Then you have the audacity to claim it is science and known?</p><p></p><p>That is pure fisgbowl philosophy, to think that all reality consists only of what happens under our nose. Or in this case, that time is nothing more than how it passes by us in the fishbowl. Measuring radioactivity does not tell us what it is. measuring gravity does not define it. Measuring the strong nuclear force does not tell us what it is. I suspect you have been educated to such a degree that you lost the ability to question it somewhere along the way.</p><p> Applied by faith, not by experience or knowledge. Prove to us that if you were on the far side of the universe an decade would be a decade the very same? How about a simple test then, can you even prove that light moves at the speed we see light moving at here?</p><p> Light moves so many miles per year as measured here. When people assign a distance to a star it IS often measured as how long light 'would' take to travel that distance. But time is measured in chronological units of course. That does not tell us what time is any more than measuring how fast you walk to the store tells us what YOU are!</p><p> We can see that! It does have a compulsion to make lots of claims though without the proof!</p><p></p><p> Irrelevant to the far universe. One cannot project math to represent unknown quantities there such as time itself or even space.</p><p></p><p> And LIMITED by it's little process.</p><p></p><p> You seem to be saying that not only is there no proof possible with science, but that it cannot be conformed to logic!? This is good stuff.</p><p></p><p>Beautiful! So, no proofs or logic or...truth!!!!!</p><p></p><p> False. That is just the test of whether our attempted measure is right!</p><p> The results of seeing if the measure works or is valid. You have no such test for deep space do you? Ha. </p><p></p><p>For lurkers, let me simplify that for you. If they see something they think is so many light years apart in far space moving they merely assign the speed of light as observed here to it.</p><p></p><p></p><p>--shortened for brevity</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="dad, post: 74115603, member: 98011"] Empty words since science no more knows what time is than anyone else. That is pure opinion. That suggests time itself does not exist, but is some human construct. That is all well and good, but has no validity as a definition of time itself. Of course we perceive time as a measurement, but that does not tell us anything about the nature of time itself. Science doesn't realize anything about what time is only how it works and is measured and conceived. Now when talking about what time is in deep space, forget about it! You seem to think we can simply add it to maps or equations here as some mysterious dimension and call it a fundamental part of things...and then go on to declare all the universe the same for NO reason! Then you have the audacity to claim it is science and known? That is pure fisgbowl philosophy, to think that all reality consists only of what happens under our nose. Or in this case, that time is nothing more than how it passes by us in the fishbowl. Measuring radioactivity does not tell us what it is. measuring gravity does not define it. Measuring the strong nuclear force does not tell us what it is. I suspect you have been educated to such a degree that you lost the ability to question it somewhere along the way. Applied by faith, not by experience or knowledge. Prove to us that if you were on the far side of the universe an decade would be a decade the very same? How about a simple test then, can you even prove that light moves at the speed we see light moving at here? Light moves so many miles per year as measured here. When people assign a distance to a star it IS often measured as how long light 'would' take to travel that distance. But time is measured in chronological units of course. That does not tell us what time is any more than measuring how fast you walk to the store tells us what YOU are! We can see that! It does have a compulsion to make lots of claims though without the proof! Irrelevant to the far universe. One cannot project math to represent unknown quantities there such as time itself or even space. And LIMITED by it's little process. You seem to be saying that not only is there no proof possible with science, but that it cannot be conformed to logic!? This is good stuff. Beautiful! So, no proofs or logic or...truth!!!!! False. That is just the test of whether our attempted measure is right! The results of seeing if the measure works or is valid. You have no such test for deep space do you? Ha. For lurkers, let me simplify that for you. If they see something they think is so many light years apart in far space moving they merely assign the speed of light as observed here to it. --shortened for brevity [/QUOTE]
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