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Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"

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I am familiar and from Luther's own mouth, he wondered why he ever rejected the Ten Commandments? Through careful study of scripture and allowing the Scriptures to lead us, we will all come to this same conclusion.

Thou shalt sanctify the holy day. [Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.]

79 The word holy day (Feiertag) is rendered from the Hebrew word sabbath which properly signifies to rest, that is, to abstain from labor. Hence we are accustomed to say, Feierabend machen [that is, to cease working], or heiligen Abend geben [sanctify the Sabbath].

Now, in the Old Testament, God separated the seventh day, and appointed it for rest, and commanded that it should be regarded as holy above all others. As regards this external observance, this commandment was given to the Jews alone, that they should abstain from toilsome work, and rest, so that both man and beast might recuperate, and not be weakened by unremitting labor. Although they afterwards restricted this too closely, and grossly abused it, so that they traduced and could not endure in Christ those works which they themselves were accustomed to do on that day, as we read in the Gospel; just as though the commandment were fulfilled by doing no external, [manual] work whatever, which, however, was not the meaning, but, as we shall hear, that they sanctify the holy day or day of rest.

82 This commandment, therefore, according to its gross sense, does not concern us Christians; for it is altogether an external matter, like other ordinances of the Old Testament, which were attached to particular customs, persons, times, and places, and now have been made free through Christ.


 
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Like I said, Luther was coming around.

There is no scripture that says the Sabbath is for Jews. God identifies it as MY holy day, but the teaching that only one of the Ten Commandments is for Jews and the other nine is for man is not a biblical teaching, but a man-made one.

The Ten Commandments is what we will be judged by, which is why it is in God's heavenly Temple under His mercy seat. God said not to edit His commandments- to not add to not subtract Deu 4:2 my faith is in His Word, but we are given free will.

No point in continuing, but wish you well.
 
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The Large Catechism is the official teaching.
 
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Gotta wonder what's being said in between all those eclipses.

How much was edited out? Have you read those complete works? Or at least read all of what Luther wrote on page 71 and 72?

Do you have a link to the complete works you got those snippets from?

Or are those edited spliced together snippets all you have to work with? And did they perchance come from Doug Batchelor's Amazing Facts website?
 
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Reading the bible from cover to cover is all that is needed to understand God's Truth. That is just an example of how people can unlearn the lies that have been handed down to them. We are only sanctified by the Truth of God's Word John 17:17 and only God can sanctity us. Eze 20:12

Like I said, I am not the one that you need to convince.
 
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Avoiding my questions about the Wesley and Luther material you posted?
Like I said, I am not the one that you need to convince.
I beg to differ.
 
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Not sure if such work even exists, but if it does (Maybe Passional Christi und Antichristi?) I guess that Luther did not mean Sabbath, but making images, as the pamphlet is against the catholic church. But its hard to find the text.
 
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Here you go, Doug Batchelor's Amazing Facts as I predicted. I had to type in the whole edited quote. As far as I can tell Doug B just repeats what Ellen White came up with or plagiarized.

 
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I wonder if SabbathBlessing ever read something from Luther. More than a quote.
 
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I wonder if SabbathBlessing ever read something from Luther. More than a quote.
It was actually bits of two different quotes put together. If like you say they're even genuine. I personally would wonder why the church I pledged myself to did potentially duplicitous stuff like that to promote their doctrine.
 
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It was actually bits of two different quotes put together. If like you say they're even genuine. I personally would wonder why the church I pledged myself to did potentially duplicitous stuff like that to promote their doctrine.
Here is a quote directly from a compilation of Luther's sermons.


Luther was a great advocate of keeping the 10 commandments. He didn't understand the Sabbath as that would have been a gigantic leap as the Reformation was the first time righteousness by faith alone had been preached and understood in more than a thousand years.

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Luther never taught that the seventh day sabbath law is binding on Christians.
 
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Luther never taught that the seventh day sabbath law is binding on Christians.
Of course he didn't. It was too giant a leap to make all at once as justification by faith alone was a massive leap to make after more than a thousand years of RCC complete dominance in both the religious and the political worlds.
 
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Of course he didn't. It was too giant a leap to make all at once as justification by faith alone was a massive leap to make after more than a thousand years of RCC complete dominance in both the religious and the political worlds.
Luther never taught that seventh day sabbath keeping is binding on Christians because the Christian church had never ever taught that.

The claim that the seventh day sabbath is binding on Christians was popularized to small degree by James Ockford, Peter Chamberlen and William Saller in 1650. And it didn't really take off until Ellen White started the SDA denomonation 200 years after that.
 
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Here is a quote directly from a compilation of Luther's sermons.



Luther was a great advocate of keeping the 10 commandments.
He didn't understand the Sabbath as that would have been a gigantic leap as the Reformation was the first time righteousness by faith alone had been preached and understood in more than a thousand years.
Wouldn't he have had the Sabbath commandment written on his heart?
 
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Ellen White didn't start the SDA denomination. When she started receiving visions she was only 17 years old and in very poor health as she had been struck on the nose by a stone thrown by another girl when she was in the 3rd grade which broke her nose so badly she was never able to go back to school. That she lived as long as she did and was able to do all the work she did was nothing but miraculous.

Her visions, as far as any theology goes were only to confirm the progress made by other Bible students or to encourage them by giving hints as to where to look in scripture when they got stuck. Her visions were primarily to reveal the sin in the church or to teach about who God is. She was no theologian. No person with a third grade education is. Her role was much like that of the Biblical prophets to reprove sin and provide warnings as to what would come if behaviors didn't change and to give encouragement to inspire people to build their relationship with God.

Her book The Desire of Ages is the best book ever written on the life of Christ. Her 5 book series entitled The Conflict of the Ages, when I read it in my mid twenties, taught me something I had never known before. That God loved even me, personally. Me, the person raised to despise myself and see no value in myself whatsover. The Holy Spirit used her writings to perform miracles in my life. Her little book titled Steps to Christ has taught countless people how to build a saving relationship with Jesus.

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She was a fulfillment of the prophecy found in Joel 2.

 
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The following quote is from Luther..


The quote is from Luther's book Concerning Christian Liberty and is taken from Luther's letter to pope Leo X.
 
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Joel 2 sounds like it's talking about a lot of people. Who are the other people who are doing that in modern times?
I don't know. All I know is that the Biblical signs of a prophet must be met before they can be considered true prophets.

Ellen White's work fits the the description of the work of John the Baptist and Elijah. Jesus told His disciples if you believe it John the Baptist is Elijah.

Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

Do you know of anyone preparing the way for Jesus' 2nd advent?
 
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