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It's been my observation. I don't think we've had enough exchanges for you to be familiar with my beliefs. I don't follow theologians much. I have a general idea of what some of them teach and I don't have a favorite.That is your assumption. I can say a very similar thing about your beliefs. You allow theologians to shape your beliefs so you read into scrptire what they have taught you to believe about it.
I've never read an EGW book either. But I have enough familiarity with her theology to recognize it. The same goes with John Calvin as one of several examples. I'm familiar enough with his theology to recognize when someone is posting Calvinism. Which they likely learned from other Calvinists as opposed to reading Calvin himself. There are quite a lot of people who belong to a particular group out of many who say they have the one Truth. The more I hear "we're the ones with the only real truth", the more red flags I see.I have never read an EGW book. I just started reading the Great Controversy not even on chapter 2 yet because I spend most of my time reading the Bible from cover to cover. The Spirit will teach us all Truth and sometimes when I read a scripture and reflect on it and come to an understanding, I always find it amazing to hear that same view from a sermon I listen to later. There’s only one Truth to scripture so you will find similar answers to that one Truth.
That's because it's not a religion to them.You ask a Sunday keeping church why they don’t keep the 4th commandment and you will get a variety of different answers.
It's new. It's that zero off to the far right with a chevron above it. I just clicked it and gave you an upvote. It seems to be a system no one knows about or uses.I have a question that has to do with the forum software that I don't know the answer to and have never seen before in 20+ years of forum posting. When I last logged in and opened up the menu for achievements, my content, etc... there was a message that one of my posts in this thread was voted for. Anyone know what that means and how I can find that post?
It’s not for us either, but an act of obeidence.That's because it's not a religion to them.
I find this post really disappointing for a few reasons. You seem to be condemning 22 million people that you claim drifted away from its first love with Jesus is judging 22 million people that you do not know. Only Jesus knows the hearts of all people so we need to leave the judging with Christ. The second reason this is disappointing is you claim to be representing the SDA church yet, you seem to condemn it more than support. I already offered a link to the official beliefs, because I have seen too many people who claim to be SDA, but yet have their own doctrine, which essentially makes one a false witness. What separates denominations is doctrine and personally I would not be associated with a denomination if I thought it drifted away from loving Jesus, what would that say about me. My experience for the most part in the SDA church has been finding loving people who love Jesus and seek Him fully and seek His Truth. Are there bad apples in every denomination and in every congregation, yes, we are warned those who claim to be part of our organization will do the most harm.
I also disagree that the SDA church doesn't teach righteousness by faith. Thunder Lauriston lecture on "Why Sunday worship cannot be the Mark of the Beast"
This is just one pastor but do a search on righteousness by faith and you will find 10 pages of various sermons.
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From the Official Adventist Sabbath School study
In infinite love and mercy God made Christ, who knew no sin, to be sin for us, so that in Him we might be made the righteousness of God. Led by the Holy Spirit we sense our need, acknowledge our sinfulness, repent of our transgressions, and exercise faith in Jesus as Saviour and Lord, Substitute and Example. This saving faith comes through the divine power of the Word and is the gift of God’s grace. Through Christ we are justified, adopted as God’s sons and daughters, and delivered from the lordship of sin. Through the Spirit we are born again and sanctified; the Spirit renews our minds, writes God’s law of love in our hearts, and we are given the power to live a holy life. Abiding in Him we become partakers of the divine nature and have the assurance of salvation now and in the judgment. (Gen. 3:15; Isa. 45:22; Isa. 53; Jer. 31:31-34; Ezek. 33:11; 36:25-27; Hab. 2:4; Mark 9:23, 24; John 3:3-8, 16; 16:8; Rom. 3:21-26; 8:1-4, 14-17; 5:6-10; 10:17; 12:2; 2 Cor. 5:17-21; Gal. 1:4; 3:13, 14, 26; 4:4-7; Eph. 2:4-10; Col. 1:13, 14; Titus 3:3-7; Heb. 8:7-12; 1 Peter 1:23; 2:21, 22; 2 Peter 1:3, 4; Rev. 13:8.)How Do We Experience Salvation in Christ?
Salvation isn’t earned, it’s received. The Bible shows how God reaches us with grace and transforms our lives.www.adventist.org
Hardly any professing Christian church does. Almost all teach we are still in our sin and will sin to the day we die. That is not righteousness through and by the faith that is in and of Christ Jesus. Sadly the church went from sacrificing animals every day to sacrificing Christ afresh and putting Him to open shame, counting the blood of the covenant for nothing, doing despite unto the Spirit of grace.I disagree with your premise that the church follows RxF. Here is my main argument. If we didn't reject RxF and drift away from our first love for Jesus why are we still here? Ellen White told us Jesus could have come before her death, twice, if the church as a whole would have loved Jesus with all our heart, soul and mind. Here we are well over a hundred years after she told us this still on planet earth living on a planet dedicated to sin.
It isn't a cold heartless judgment on my part but the reading of the evidence. I know of entire SDA churches, large ones, that don't even live by our standards and have gone woke and teach emerging church heresy. Our institutions of higher learning have in large part stopped teaching our Biblical theology too. Our small local church has an elder that is a socialist which political ideology is anti god at its very heart and our pastor is a speaker at Project One events. We have conferences that have banned Doug Batchelor from speaking in them and our GC president refuses to support religious liberty in that he refuses to support members who chose not to get vaccinated. We also have conferences that have fired every pastor who would not get vaccinated. Somehow I thought our bodies are the temple of God not the government's. What is wrong in trusting in God's promises such as Psalm 91 rather than trusting in man and his ideas? When our GC president and entire conferences have that little trust in God our church is in serious trouble spiritually.
Through faith.It’s not for us either, but an act of obeidence.
Amen.Through faith.
There are quite a lot of people who belong to a particular group out of many who say they have the one Truth. The more I hear "we're the ones with the only real truth", the more red flags I see.
No for most it is because the world has brainwashed them to think it doesn't matter. Do thine own will and mind your own business.That's because it's not a religion to them.
Some seem a lot more extreme than others.Most denominations believe this of themselves they just don't say it. Hence why they fragmented off in the first place.
Sunday church is a matter of recorded church history going back to Apostolic Fathers, and according to them, a practice held by the Apostles themselves. And always the chuch gathered daily Acts 2:46. Interestingly this practice is really only still kept by the Catholic Church which holds daily mass. For the most part it wasn't until the 19th century that a supposed prophet started convincing Christians they have been doing it wrong since the beginning and needed to go back to the old covenant with the Jews format.No for most it is because the world has brainwashed them to think it doesn't matter. Do thine own will and mind your own business.
It is very problematic to discuss SDA beliefs in the traditional Adventist forum in any kind of critical way.You misunderstood my comment as I was not clear what I meant. I said what I did because you posted the link to the traditional Adventist forum. I spent more time once again explaining why it would not be problematic to discuss SDA beliefs there.
SDA theology is first mentioned by the OP in post #6. Ellen is first mentioned in post #37.You're the one who brought up Ellen White and made all the SDA comments in this thread about her.when they are about scripture and have nothing to do with her other than she taught scriptural truths.
Yes, Jehoshaphat went out with Ahab. Also,I think you need to reread my post as one my comments was about Jehoshaphat offering to help Ahab in his war with the Syrians.
"Jehoshaphat was the king of Israel when the angel of God slew 186,000 Assyrians..."Read 1Kings chapter 22 in which Jehoshaphat went to Israel during the reign of Ahab and offered to go to war with him against the Syrians. No one does that for anyone they have a grudge against. Jehoshaphat was the king of Israel when the angel of God slew 186,000 Assyrians in one night in response to Jehoshaphat's prayer for help so he was one of the few righteous kings of Judah.
Wow, bad day to be an Assyrian.Yes, Jehoshaphat went out with Ahab. Also,
"Jehoshaphat was the king of Israel when the angel of God slew 186,000 Assyrians..."
Wow, bad day to be an Assyrian.
But only in America. Since according to the prophet the Mark of the Beast is going to be the result of a "National Sunday Law" that apparently leaves the rest of the world off the hook. A friend of mine moved to Panama a few years ago. Maybe I'll join him just to play it safe.True! Some people say that worshiping on Sunday is in some way related to the mark of the beast.
Hm, in Europe, the 7th day is Sunday. Are we off the hook? What is more important, name or order?But only in America. Since according to the prophet the Mark of the Beast is going to be the result of a "National Sunday Law" that apparently leaves the rest of the world off the hook. A friend of mine moved to Panama a few years ago. Maybe I'll join him just to play it safe.
That's what I thought too, about the rest of the world being off the hook. But apparently some who believe a national Sunday law is something that could realistically happen in the USA say that, for unknown reasons, the rest of the world follows suit.But only in America. Since according to the prophet the Mark of the Beast is going to be the result of a "National Sunday Law" that apparently leaves the rest of the world off the hook. A friend of mine moved to Panama a few years ago. Maybe I'll join him just to play it safe.
It hadn't occurred to me until quite recently when I heard "national sunday law" repeated a few times, that that would restrict it to a single nation. And then of course I saw that as a pretty big plot hole. It seems a lot of Americans have seen most or all of it being staged in the US. Or at least that the US will play a highly significant role in those events.That's what I thought too, about the rest of the world being off the hook. But apparently some who believe a national Sunday law is something that could realistically happen in the USA say that, for unknown reasons, the rest of the world follows suit.
There was a very strong attempt to pass a national Sunday law in 1888. The following link from an enemy of SDAs confirms this.It hadn't occurred to me until quite recently when I heard "national sunday law" repeated a few times, that that would restrict it to a single nation. And then of course I saw that as a pretty big plot hole. It seems a lot of Americans have seen most or all of it being staged in the US. Or at least that the US will play a highly significant role in those events.
And here is a link which says Sunday laws exist in several different European nations.It hadn't occurred to me until quite recently when I heard "national sunday law" repeated a few times, that that would restrict it to a single nation. And then of course I saw that as a pretty big plot hole. It seems a lot of Americans have seen most or all of it being staged in the US. Or at least that the US will play a highly significant role in those events.
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