Thrown into a pit, for what? Truly, the Devil has begun to drive a wedge between the concepts of Men

mmksparbud · Feb 29, 2020

ewq1938 said:
That's three deaths not two. You have them dying the first death, resurrecting for another death then a third death in the LOF. Obviously that isn't what the bible says. The nations are alive after the second coming, alive through the thousand years and only die the first time at Jerusalem after the thousand years.

No---2 deaths. Everyone dies the first death. The wicked are resurrected for their judgment, at the 2nd resurrection and thrown into the lake of fire---which is the second death.

ev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

DavidPT · Feb 29, 2020

mmksparbud said:
The wicked are resurrected for their judgment, at the 2nd resurrection and thrown into the lake of fire---which is the second death.

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When are they initially resurrected for their judgment? At the beginning of satan's little season, or at the end of satan's little season?

mmksparbud · Feb 29, 2020

DavidPT said:
When are they initially resurrected for their judgment? At the beginning of satan's little season, or at the end of satan's little season?

The 1st resurrection is when Jesus returns and all the saved are taken to be with Him for a 1000 years.
The wicked are dead. They are raised after the 1000 years. They are the 2nd resurrection.

Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

DavidPT · Feb 29, 2020

mmksparbud said:
The 1st resurrection is when Jesus returns and all the saved are taken to be with Him for a 1000 years.
The wicked are dead. They are raised after the 1000 years. They are the 2nd resurrection.

Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
Rev_20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

You are still not specifically answering what I asked. The beginning of satan's little season would be after the thousand years, and so would at the end of satan's little season be after the thousand years. When are the rest of the dead initially resurrected from the dead for judgment after the thousand years? At the beginning of satan's little season? Or at the end of satan's little season? And like I already indicated, both are after the thousand years. That means both options are valid, yet only one of them can be the correct one.

ewq1938 · Feb 29, 2020

mmksparbud said:
er 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Jer 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

Obviously that isn't about the second coming or thousand years since Revelation 19-20 is clear there are many people on the Earth at that time.

ewq1938 · Feb 29, 2020

mmksparbud said:
The wicked are resurrected for their judgment

That still ignores the people who die at Jerusalem:

Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

They lived on the Earth. They are mortals that lived in the thousand years and when it ends, the devil goes to them where they are in the Earth. That proves you are wrong about the Earth being empty of people. These are not part of the second resurrection until they die at Jerusalem. Only then are they resurrected to face judgment.

You are simply wrong that the Earth has only Satan during the thousand years. The mortal nations live there and Christ and his saints live there ruling over the nations. The camp of the saints where the saints live during the thousand years is at Jerusalem. "and compassed the camp of the saints about"

mmksparbud · Feb 29, 2020

DavidPT said:
You are still not specifically answering what I asked. The beginning of satan's little season would be after the thousand years, and so would at the end of satan's little season be after the thousand years. When are the rest of the dead initially resurrected from the dead for judgment after the thousand years? At the beginning of satan's little season? Or at the end of satan's little season? And like I already indicated, both are after the thousand years. That means both options are valid, yet only one of them can be the correct one.

Of course the dead are raised after the 1000 years. That is what the verses say---the rest of the dead lived not again until after the 1000 years. After the 1000 years is when Satan is let loose---he has people again to tempt. All the wicked people have been resurrected. He is let loose for a little season to gather the wicked---at the end of his little season---all the wicked, including Satan end up in the lake of fire.

mmksparbud · Feb 29, 2020

Sorry---but it clearly says the rest of the dead do not live until after the 1000 years. All the living wicked are destroyed at His 2nd coming during the 1st resurrection. Then all the saved are with God during the 1000 years---that leaves nobody on this earth. That is why this is Satan's abyss---his bottom less pit---nobody here. He can contemplate the reason he has no belly button for a 1000 years.

Davy · Feb 29, 2020

Gottservant said:
Hi there,

Another piece of the puzzle! The Devil is to be bound and thrown into a pit, for at least a thousand years (Revelation), but why?

The Devil is bound, because he has started to drive a wedge between the concepts of Men.

The Devil is weighed down, because he has not heeded leadership, either from God or Man.

The Devil must wait at least a thousand years, because without the Lord, that is how long a Day in sin lasts.

Everything in this, is fighting the Revelation of the Holy Spirit, which can lead to the Revelation of God.

Do not be quick to argue, brothers, with me, yes, but not with God.

Our fate has begun to hang in the balance, over what we believe!

No need to get hyped up. Our Heavenly Father wants us to have understanding, and our faith in Him and His Son, even to the death if that comes.

The Old Testament prophets, like Ezekiel, showed for the future after the end of this present world, there will be a time of great teaching for those who love God, but messed up and went astray when Israel went astray. Christ's elect, the Zadok (i.e., The Righteous) will be teaching the people the difference between the holy and the profane, and between the clean and unclean, and they will stand in judgment (Ezekiel 44).

Thus the future "thousand years" by Christ and His elect is going to be 'boot camp' time. No one will be able to deny Christ as Lord in that time, for all knees will bow to Him as written. They all will learn the truth, and without Satan being able to steal it away from them. This is for the deceived that are not 'sealed' by God for this present world.

DamianWarS · Mar 1, 2020

Gottservant said:
Hi there,

Another piece of the puzzle! The Devil is to be bound and thrown into a pit, for at least a thousand years (Revelation), but why?

The Devil is bound, because he has started to drive a wedge between the concepts of Men.

The Devil is weighed down, because he has not heeded leadership, either from God or Man.

The Devil must wait at least a thousand years, because without the Lord, that is how long a Day in sin lasts.

Everything in this, is fighting the Revelation of the Holy Spirit, which can lead to the Revelation of God.

Do not be quick to argue, brothers, with me, yes, but not with God.

Our fate has begun to hang in the balance, over what we believe!

there is a lot of interpretation here, for example you say "The Devil must wait at least a thousand years, because without the Lord, that is how long a Day in sin lasts" I know what verses you are using to justify this but who told you these verses are linked? Revelation is a type of book that we can take all sorts of information and start randomly pairing it with other passages essentially controlling it to say what we want to say. Don't get caught controlling scripture to support what you think it should say.

JacksBratt · Mar 1, 2020

Gottservant said:
Hi there,

Another piece of the puzzle! The Devil is to be bound and thrown into a pit, for at least a thousand years (Revelation), but why?

The Devil is bound, because he has started to drive a wedge between the concepts of Men.

The Devil is weighed down, because he has not heeded leadership, either from God or Man.

The Devil must wait at least a thousand years, because without the Lord, that is how long a Day in sin lasts.

Everything in this, is fighting the Revelation of the Holy Spirit, which can lead to the Revelation of God.

Do not be quick to argue, brothers, with me, yes, but not with God.

Our fate has begun to hang in the balance, over what we believe!

Satan is bound and put in a pit for 1000 years so that Christ can rule the earth, the way it was supposed to be in the beginning, without Satan..

Then, Satan is let loose to tempt those who live through this reign of Christ because "all must be tempted and choose Christ over Satan... Then... all will be judged... Satan doomed...

jasonMalloy1999 · Mar 1, 2020

ewq1938 said:
"that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled"

Obviously the Earth is not empty of people since the verse just said he cannot deceive the nations til the thousand years are finished...which proves the nations are on the Earth but he cannot deceive them until the thousand years are over then he will go out through the world and deceive them again.

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

And here are the nations that once were protected from Satan but now are no longer. They are in the four quarters of the Earth where they were through the thousand year period.

satan isnt imprisoned yet

jasonMalloy1999 · Mar 1, 2020

Dan1988 said:
The Devil is currently bound, the Gospel is spreading all over the world like wildfire. Millions are being saved and the Church is growing faster than in any other time in history.
So we can see that the Devil is currently very much restricted, but the time is coming when He will be allowed to deceive the nations for a short time.
The world is currently enjoying peace and prosperity, but that will all change as soon as He is freed.
China now has 120 million Christians and people from every corner of the world are hearing the good news and converting everyday. When the last one of Gods elect hears the Gospel, the Devil will be set free.

but no one knows the second coming

jasonMalloy1999 · Mar 1, 2020

jasonMalloy1999 said:
satan isnt imprisoned yet

he attacks me so if any thinks hees imprisoned wrong friend wrong

jasonMalloy1999 · Mar 1, 2020

jasonMalloy1999 said:
he attacks me so if any thinks hees imprisoned wrong friend wrong

now in real matters than the end im gonna find a way to get unbanned peace

dqhall · Mar 1, 2020

Gottservant said:
Hi there,

Another piece of the puzzle! The Devil is to be bound and thrown into a pit, for at least a thousand years (Revelation), but why?

The Devil is bound, because he has started to drive a wedge between the concepts of Men.

The Devil is weighed down, because he has not heeded leadership, either from God or Man.

The Devil must wait at least a thousand years, because without the Lord, that is how long a Day in sin lasts.

Everything in this, is fighting the Revelation of the Holy Spirit, which can lead to the Revelation of God.

Do not be quick to argue, brothers, with me, yes, but not with God.

Our fate has begun to hang in the balance, over what we believe!

Eusebius, Bishop of Caesarea, was an advisor to Emperor Constantine. Eusebius wrote, “Ecclesiastical History,” c. 325 AD. This was a history from the time of Christ until the time Constantine became emperor of the Roman Empire and legalized Christianity. Eusebius reported some church officials testified the Book of Revelation had been forged by a deceiver named Cerinthus.

The Eastern Orthodox Church is estimated to be 200 - 260 million. They do not read from Revelation aloud in their church services.

Dan1988 · Mar 1, 2020

mmksparbud said:
Read the verses again. During the 1000 years it says we reign with Christ, in heaven --but the wicked dead remain dead. The earth is barren, destroyed by the brightness of Jesus. Jesus resurrects the wicked dead after the 1000 years. Yes, they die twice. That is what the bible says. It's called the 2nd death. The righteous die once, as everyone does, but the wicked die the 2nd death in the lake of fire.
Rev_2:11 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.
Rev_20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
Rev_20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
Rev_21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The book of the revelation of Jesus Christ, is written in symbolic language. It was never meant to be taken literally.
It is said that we can make the book of revelation say anything we want it to, hence the 40,000 Christian denominations each with a different intterpritation.

Aussie Pete said:
The devil is not bound. He is as active as ever. Satan, the god of this world, is still blinding the eyes of the perishing. Christians still come under accusation and attack. When Christians wake up and start exercising the authority that Lord Jesus gave us, we will see change. As the church grows in China, it declines in much of the Western world.

It's a question of which view we hold to, when it comes to eschatology. You mentioned the god of this world blinding the eyes of the unbelievers, and Christians being persecuted.
These things can be happening while Christ is ruling, since Christ didn't come to save those who will never believe and persecution of believers has no lasting detrimental effect on the believer.
Gods people have always been hated by the world, that will never change. The world hates God and God hates the world, that's why He destroyed it with a flood before and this time it will be with fire.
Christians have no claim on this world, as it is earmarked for complete destruction.
Our claim is on the world to come, the Devil has zero power to steal our inheritance. To the believer, he's just a dog on a chain. All he can do is bark and accuse.

Dan1988 · Mar 1, 2020

jasonMalloy1999 said:
but no one knows the second coming

True, we don't know the day or the hour but He did tell us what signs to watch out for, just before His return.
All of those signs are being witnessed by our generation, so He could return at any moment.

jasonMalloy1999 · Mar 1, 2020

Dan1988 said:
True, we don't know the day or the hour but He did tell us what signs to watch out for, just before His return.
All of those signs are being witnessed by our generation, so He could return at any moment.

sucks i wanna grow old lol i dont wanna see the second coming its be horrific all people screaming ad im going to hell i dont feel sincere for any sin it might be my ocd doing but dunno

Dan1988 · Mar 1, 2020

jasonMalloy1999 said:
sucks i wanna grow old lol i dont wanna see the second coming its be horrific all people screaming

I'm sure everyone will be scared to death, Jesus said that it will be the most horrific time for unbelievers. They will seek death but they won't find it, so they will have to stand before Him to be judged and cast into the lake of fire to be tormented in flames forever.

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