Three Places Some Of Ten Commandments Restated In Not, But Not The Sabbath

[LarryP2]

There are three places in the New Testament where Paul or Jesus take the time to carefully restate some of the Ten Commandments, but in NONE of the three places are the 4th Commandment or the Sabbath spelled out:


In the first instance, in Ephesians 6, Paul really only includes a substantially-restated "Honor thy Mother and Father" Commandment, with some of the most important language deleted:


Ephesians 6
New International Version (NIV)
6 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 “Honor your father and mother”—which is the first commandment with a promise— 3 “so that it may go well with you and that you may enjoy long life on the earth.”[a]

4 Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord.

5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6 Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7 Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not people, 8 because you know that the Lord will reward each one for whatever good they do, whether they are slave or free.

9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

The Armor of God

10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people. 19 Pray also for me, that whenever I speak, words may be given me so that I will fearlessly make known the mystery of the gospel, 20 for which I am an ambassador in chains. Pray that I may declare it fearlessly, as I should.

In the next instance, Jesus is specifically asked point blank TWICE which Commandments to keep, and both times glaringly omits the 4th Commandment and any mention of the Sabbath:

Matthew 19:16-24
New International Version (NIV)
The Rich and the Kingdom of God

16 Just then a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?”

17 “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, keep the commandments.”

18 “Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[a] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”

20 “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?”

21 Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.

23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.”

And finally, here Paul restates some of the Commandments, but adds on a extremely detailed and comprehensive list other Do's and Dont's as well:

Romans 13:1-12
New International Version (NIV)
Submission to Governing Authorities

13 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Love Fulfills the Law

8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

The Day Is Near

11 And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed. 12 The night is nearly over; the day is almost here. So let us put aside the deeds of darkness and put on the armor of light.

Sabbath Spam trash posters constantly howl and moan about the alleged "lawlessness" that would result from the abandonment of the Old Testament Ten Commandments. They dishonestly smear Christians of favoring murder, adultery and theft if Christians argue that the whole Mosaic Law is obsolete. Yet, in one instance by Jesus and one by Paul, murder, adultery and theft are specifically prohibited. In three separate instances, Jesus or Paul very carefully lay out which particular Commandments are still binding, and use some of the original language of the Decalogue, apparently to give extremely specific instructions to Christians on their duties. In ALL of them, there are substantially FAR MORE rules of a FAR more comprehensive nature than in the Ten Commandments! And yet in all three cases, one Commandment is specifically glaring in its absence. Can you guess which one?

IF THE SABBATH SURVIVED THE CROSS, WHY IS IT CONSPICUOUSLY MISSING ON THESE THREE LISTS?

The common demand of Sabbath Spam Posters that the Ten Commandments must be still applicable is simply disingenuous. They are primarily motivated by the retention of the Sabbath - so they can self-righteously preen and gloat about this "accomplishment" over other "mere" Christians. And likely, to avail themselves of the 10 percent income stream that inevitably attaches itself to their ludicrous and cultish doctrinal superstructure. Notice Jesus Christi's response to the Rich Young Man: "If you want to be perfect, sell all you have and follow me." NOT KEEP THE SABBATH. The Sabbath is glaringly missing from all three New Testament lists. THAT'S precisely why Sabbath Spam trash posters insist on retaining ONLY the Old Testament version of the Ten Commandments, since the Sabbath is NEVER positively commanded in the New Testament. Including in these three places where some of the Commandments are specifically and pointedly reaffirmed.

 

[SAAN]

1. All the scriptures you listed is before Jesus died on the cross.
2. Jesus also was asked what commands are the greatest in an attempt to trick him, so he summed up commands as meaning Love God and Love one another.
3. Show me where Jesus came to abolish the Sabbath.
4. For every attempt you want to play the game of silence, there are many verses showing they kept the Sabbath.
5. Why are you so against a day of rest?
6. Can you show ANYWHERE in scriptures that the day of rest is now Sunday?


For me while I go to church on Sunday and dont see Saturday as a day to sit and do nothing for 24 hrs, I also dont trash the Sabbath. I respect people that keep it as a day of rest as commanded by scriptures and I believe God will bless them.

 

[LarryP2]

1. All the scriptures you listed is before Jesus died on the cross.

So Paul wrote his lists in Ephesians and Romans before Christ died on the cross! MAGNIFICENT! How FASCINATING!

2. Jesus also was asked what commands are the greatest in an attempt to trick him, so he summed up commands as meaning Love God and Love one another.

Not true. Jesus was SPECIFICALLY asked point blank TWICE by a person who was NOT trying to trick him. The guy was obviously very sincere. And NEITHER time did Jesus mention the Sabbath. In fact, his second response was prefaced with "If you want to be perfect........" That the Sabbath is not mentioned after the guy presses him further is just devastating to the Sabbatarian argument.

3. Show me where Jesus came to abolish the Sabbath.

He fulfilled the Sabbath. It was "nailed to the Cross." Colossians 2:13-18. The premise that Colossians 2:13-18 does not mean what it says is worth BILLIONS of dollars to the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Here is a respectable commentator on the subject of that text that apparently lacks the goal of a ten percent income stream:

"There is a philosophy which rightly exercises our reasonable faculties; a study of the works of God, which leads us to the knowledge of God, and confirms our faith in him. But there is a philosophy which is vain and deceitful; and while it pleases men's fancies, hinders their faith: such are curious speculations about things above us, or no concern to us. Those who walk in the way of the world, are turned from following Christ. We have in Him the substance of all the shadows of the ceremonial law. All the defects of it are made up in the gospel of Christ, by his complete sacrifice for sin, and by the revelation of the will of God. To be complete, is to be furnished with all things necessary for salvation. By this one word "complete," is shown that we have in Christ whatever is required. "In him," not when we look to Christ, as though he were distant from us, but we are in him, when, by the power of the Spirit, we have faith wrought in our hearts by the Spirit, and we are united to our Head. The circumcision of the heart, the crucifixion of the flesh, the death and burial to sin and to the world, and the resurrection to newness of life, set forth in baptism, and by faith wrought in our hearts, prove that our sins are forgiven, and that we are fully delivered from the curse of the law. Through Christ, we, who were dead in sins, are quickened. Christ's death was the death of our sins; Christ's resurrection is the quickening of our souls. The law of ordinances, which was a yoke to the Jews, and a partition-wall to the Gentiles, the Lord Jesus took out of the way. When the substance was come, the shadows fled. Since every mortal man is, through the hand-writing of the law, guilty of death, how very dreadful is the condition of the ungodly and unholy, who trample under foot that blood of the Son of God, whereby alone this deadly hand-writing can be blotted out! Let not any be troubled about bigoted judgments which related to meats, or the Jewish solemnities. The setting apart a portion of our time for the worship and service of God, is a moral and unchangeable duty, but had no necessary dependence upon the seventh day of the week, the Sabbath of the Jews. The first day of the week, or the Lord's day, is the time kept holy by Christians, in remembrance of Christ's resurrection. All the Jewish rites were shadows of gospel blessings."

http://www.christnotes.org/commentary.php?com=mhc&b=51&c=2

4. For every attempt you want to play the game of silence, there are many verses showing they kept the Sabbath.

They kept the Sabbath because they were Jews. You can tell the difference between Jews and Christians can't you? When the issue was specifically raised about Gentiles being required to keep the Mosaic Law in AD 50 Council of Jerusalem, the Sabbath is conspicuously and dramatically and pointedly missing from the list of rules that were given to Gentiles. See Acts 15.

5. Why are you so against a day of rest?

The cult Sabbath Spam trash posters do not want a "day of rest." The Sabbath for them is many magnitudes more important that the Resurrection, the Trinity and the Divinity of Christ combined. They heavily damage Christian's confidence in their Salvation by bringing in a stupid and unbiblical requirement so they can latch onto a 10 percent income stream. THAT's what I am "against." Secondly, they keep the Sabbath because it is necessary for their Salvation. That is insanely anti-Gospel, anti-Resurrection, and anti-Christian. THAT is why the Church Fathers UNANIMOUSLY attacked Sabbath Keeping as a vile and satanic anti-Christian heresy. They new EXACTLY what the Ebionites and Judaizers were trying to do by dishonestly and piously attempting to add a Sabbath obligation on Christians: To reduce their confidence in the Resurrection as their salvation.

And why are you so adamantly opposed to honoring the Resurrection on the day it happened?

"Seventh Day Adventists deny the resurrection by observing the Sabbath. We come to church on Sunday, the Lord's Day, to worship Him who "died for our sins, and rose again for our justification." We worship a living Savior, and with thanksgiving, can sing:
"He lives, He lives, Christ Jesus lives today!"
If I worship Christ on Saturday I deny that His work is finished, that He is a resurrected, living Savior."
http://www.abaptistvoice.com/English/Articles/Miscelanous/WhyIAmABaptist.htm

6. Can you show ANYWHERE in scriptures that the day of rest is now Sunday?

Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you that you have to go to work next Thursday? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you how to start your car? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you to brush and floss your teeth everyday? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you mop and sweep your floor once a month or so? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you to obey traffic lights? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you obey the speed limit? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you file your income tax returns? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you attend court when you are summonsed? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you not to put your hand on a hot stove? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you not to fly airplanes into the world trade center? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you not to tug on Superman's Cape? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you mow your lawn once a week?

For me while I go to church on Sunday and dont see Saturday as a day to sit and do nothing for 24 hrs, I also dont trash the Sabbath. I respect people that keep it as a day of rest as commanded by scriptures and I believe God will bless them.

And the Sabbath Spam Trash posters come on here and viciously smear Christians by insinuating they want to rape, pillage, murder, rob, sexually molest underage kids, fly airplanes into the World Trade Center and so on if they don't agree that the Sabbath is a continuing obligation for Christians. Christian churches that celebrate the Resurrection on Sunday are viciously smeared as "The harlot of Babylon" and the "Apostate Daughters of the harlot of Babylon." Is that what you mean by "respect?" Is that how they demonstrate their "respect" for Christians who celebrate the Resurrection on Sunday?

 

[SAAN]

So Paul wrote his lists in Ephesians and Romans before Christ died on the cross! MAGNIFICENT! How FASCINATING!



Not true. Jesus was SPECIFICALLY asked point blank TWICE by a person who was NOT trying to trick him. The guy was obviously very sincere. And NEITHER time did Jesus mention the Sabbath. In fact, his second response was prefaced with "If you want to be perfect........" That the Sabbath is not mentioned after the guy presses him further is just devastating to the Sabbatarian argument.



He fulfilled the Sabbath. It was "nailed to the Cross." Colossians 2:13-18. The premise that Colossians 2:13-18 does not mean what it says is worth BILLIONS of dollars to the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Here is a respectable commentator on the subject of that text that apparently lacks the goal of a ten percent income stream:

"There is a philosophy which rightly exercises our reasonable faculties; a study of the works of God, which leads us to the knowledge of God, and confirms our faith in him. But there is a philosophy which is vain and deceitful; and while it pleases men's fancies, hinders their faith: such are curious speculations about things above us, or no concern to us. Those who walk in the way of the world, are turned from following Christ. We have in Him the substance of all the shadows of the ceremonial law. All the defects of it are made up in the gospel of Christ, by his complete sacrifice for sin, and by the revelation of the will of God. To be complete, is to be furnished with all things necessary for salvation. By this one word "complete," is shown that we have in Christ whatever is required. "In him," not when we look to Christ, as though he were distant from us, but we are in him, when, by the power of the Spirit, we have faith wrought in our hearts by the Spirit, and we are united to our Head. The circumcision of the heart, the crucifixion of the flesh, the death and burial to sin and to the world, and the resurrection to newness of life, set forth in baptism, and by faith wrought in our hearts, prove that our sins are forgiven, and that we are fully delivered from the curse of the law. Through Christ, we, who were dead in sins, are quickened. Christ's death was the death of our sins; Christ's resurrection is the quickening of our souls. The law of ordinances, which was a yoke to the Jews, and a partition-wall to the Gentiles, the Lord Jesus took out of the way. When the substance was come, the shadows fled. Since every mortal man is, through the hand-writing of the law, guilty of death, how very dreadful is the condition of the ungodly and unholy, who trample under foot that blood of the Son of God, whereby alone this deadly hand-writing can be blotted out! Let not any be troubled about bigoted judgments which related to meats, or the Jewish solemnities. The setting apart a portion of our time for the worship and service of God, is a moral and unchangeable duty, but had no necessary dependence upon the seventh day of the week, the Sabbath of the Jews. The first day of the week, or the Lord's day, is the time kept holy by Christians, in remembrance of Christ's resurrection. All the Jewish rites were shadows of gospel blessings."

Colossians 2 - Matthew Henry’s Commentary - Bible Commentary



They kept the Sabbath because they were Jews. You can tell the difference between Jews and Christians can't you? When the issue was specifically raised about Gentiles being required to keep the Mosaic Law in AD 50 Council of Jerusalem, the Sabbath is conspicuously and dramatically and pointedly missing from the list of rules that were given to Gentiles. See Acts 15.



The cult Sabbath Spam trash posters do not want a "day of rest." The Sabbath for them is many magnitudes more important that the Resurrection, the Trinity and the Divinity of Christ combined. They heavily damage Christian's confidence in their Salvation by bringing in a stupid and unbiblical requirement so they can latch onto a 10 percent income stream. THAT's what I am "against." Secondly, they keep the Sabbath because it is necessary for their Salvation. That is insanely anti-Gospel, anti-Resurrection, and anti-Christian. THAT is why the Church Fathers UNANIMOUSLY attacked Sabbath Keeping as a vile and satanic anti-Christian heresy. They new EXACTLY what the Ebionites and Judaizers were trying to do by dishonestly and piously attempting to add a Sabbath obligation on Christians: To reduce their confidence in the Resurrection as their salvation.

And why are you so adamantly opposed to honoring the Resurrection on the day it happened?




Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you that you have to go to work next Thursday? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you how to start your car? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you to brush and floss your teeth everyday? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you mop and sweep your floor once a month or so? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you to obey traffic lights? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you obey the speed limit? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you file your income tax returns? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you attend court when you are summonsed? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you not to put your hand on a hot stove? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you not to fly airplanes into the world trade center? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you not to tug on Superman's Cape? Can you show ANYWHERE in the scriptures that tells you mow your lawn once a week?




And the Sabbath Spam Trash posters come on here and viciously smear Christians by insinuating they want to rape, pillage, murder, rob, sexually molest underage kids, fly airplanes into the World Trade Center and so on if they don't agree that the Sabbath is a continuing obligation for Christians. Christian churches that celebrate the Resurrection on Sunday are viciously smeared as "The harlot of Babylon" and the "Apostate Daughters of the harlot of Babylon." Is that what you mean by "respect?" Is that how they demonstrate their "respect" for Christians who celebrate the Resurrection on Sunday?

In #1, I was obviously referring to Jesus, NOT Paul.

In #2 Its obvious their intentions.
Matthew 22:34-40


The Scribes: Which Is the First Commandment of All?

34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”


In #3, you are still 100% wrong in your view on Colossians 2:13-18, but since that will help you abolish all of God laws, you will keep that position


In #4, they kept the Sabbath because it was a command of God, there was no such thing as a JEW in Exodus. They were called Hebrews back then.
And you still dont understand Acts 15 in CONTEXT, you just want to read 4 verses and PLAINLY IGNORE the whole matter at is them trying to say they must be circumcised to be save, the same issue going on in Galatians too

In #6, you just show your ignorance and try to find your usual loop holes.


For the rest of what you said, no one on here outside of the SDA's have put anyone down for worshiping on Sunday, it is you who bash anyone that keeps the Sabbath and looks for every loophole, out of context scripture, and 1st century Christian writing that were recorded by the RCC to try to put down teh command of God, call his commands all sorts of names, or say they just arent needs in favor of some Noahide commands which were made up by Jews

 

[LarryP2]

The Scribes: Which Is the First Commandment of All?[/B]

34 But when the Pharisees heard that He had silenced the Sadducees, they gathered together. 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

And didn't mention the Sabbath at all! Wow! Or none of the other Ten Commandments! Wow.

In #3, you are still 100% wrong in your view on Colossians 2:13-18, but since that will help you abolish all of God laws, you will keep that position

The only people that are opposed to that "view" are Seventh Day Adventists. Here's why:

"The premise that Colossians 2:14-17 does not mean what it says has been worth billions and billions of dollars to the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It has created a membership of over 12 million people who give, in most cases, 10% of their hard-earned money to the Church, supporting a huge network of schools, churches, publishing houses, and a huge top-heavy church bureaucracy of state conference, union conference, division, and General Conference officials whose salaries must be paid every month."
.....
"Unless someone can explain it away, Adventists are in direct disobedience to the command of God, given through Paul, that Sabbath-keeping not be required of Christians any more than they are required to observe the Jewish dietary laws and annual sabbaths. Billions of dollars depend on the truth that Colossians 2:14-17 does not mean this, yet no one has ever been able to prove that this passage does not mean what it says. Adventist leaders have known the facts about this text and a host of other anti-Sabbatarian facts since 1888. Tragically, Adventist leaders have continued to "sell" their faulty and dangerous "other gospel" belief package to its members in exchange for 10% and more of their hard-earned money."
Sabbathgate 1888 by Kerry Wynne

"Seventh Day Adventists deny the resurrection by observing the Sabbath. We come to church on Sunday, the Lord's Day, to worship Him who "died for our sins, and rose again for our justification." We worship a living Savior, and with thanksgiving, can sing:
"He lives, He lives, Christ Jesus lives today!"
If I worship Christ on Saturday I deny that His work is finished, that He is a resurrected, living Savior."
Why I Am A Baptist And Not A Seventh Day Adventist

In #4, they kept the Sabbath because it was a command of God, there was no such thing as a JEW in Exodus. They were called Hebrews back then.

Actually they were called the Children of Israel. And the preamble (what the Jews call the First Commandment says who the Sabbath is for:

"First Commandment (Exodus 20:2): I am the Lord Your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."
Ten Commandments - My Jewish Learning

But of course, you will disagree with their statement that the Sabbath was only for the Israelites, who were brought out of Egypt and out of the house of bondage."

And you still dont understand Acts 15 in CONTEXT, you just want to read 4 verses and PLAINLY IGNORE the whole matter at is them trying to say they must be circumcised to be save, the same issue going on in Galatians too

Actually I read them in light of the severe Death Penalty that could and would be imposed on Gentiles for keeping the Sabbath. THAT is something that you repeatedly have ignored. And I read it in light of the Jewish First Commandment cited above. And I read it in light of First Century Christian Fathers that condemned Sabbath Keeping as an anti-Christian, anti-Resurrection, anti-Gospel vile heresy.

For the rest of what you said, no one on here outside of the SDA's have put anyone down for worshiping on Sunday, it is you who bash anyone that keeps the Sabbath and looks for every loophole, out of context scripture, and 1st century Christian writing that were recorded by the RCC to try to put down teh command of God, call his commands all sorts of names, or say they just arent needs in favor of some Noahide commands which were made up by Jews

No loophole. It was not commanded by either Jesus or Paul or anywhere in the New Testament. The law was written for the Israelites, not me an American. And Sunday worship commemorates the Resurrection, rather than the delivery of the Israelites out of Egyptian bondage. And the First Century Christian Fathers, who were disciples of the Apostles, called it a vile anti-Christian, ant-Gospel, anti-Resurrection heresy.

 

[SAAN]

And didn't mention the Sabbath at all! Wow! Or none of the other Ten Commandments! Wow.




The only people that are opposed to that "view" are Seventh Day Adventists. Here's why:

"The premise that Colossians 2:14-17 does not mean what it says has been worth billions and billions of dollars to the Seventh-day Adventist Church. It has created a membership of over 12 million people who give, in most cases, 10% of their hard-earned money to the Church, supporting a huge network of schools, churches, publishing houses, and a huge top-heavy church bureaucracy of state conference, union conference, division, and General Conference officials whose salaries must be paid every month."
.....
"Unless someone can explain it away, Adventists are in direct disobedience to the command of God, given through Paul, that Sabbath-keeping not be required of Christians any more than they are required to observe the Jewish dietary laws and annual sabbaths. Billions of dollars depend on the truth that Colossians 2:14-17 does not mean this, yet no one has ever been able to prove that this passage does not mean what it says. Adventist leaders have known the facts about this text and a host of other anti-Sabbatarian facts since 1888. Tragically, Adventist leaders have continued to "sell" their faulty and dangerous "other gospel" belief package to its members in exchange for 10% and more of their hard-earned money."
Sabbathgate 1888 by Kerry Wynne

"Seventh Day Adventists deny the resurrection by observing the Sabbath. We come to church on Sunday, the Lord's Day, to worship Him who "died for our sins, and rose again for our justification." We worship a living Savior, and with thanksgiving, can sing:
"He lives, He lives, Christ Jesus lives today!"
If I worship Christ on Saturday I deny that His work is finished, that He is a resurrected, living Savior."
Why I Am A Baptist And Not A Seventh Day Adventist






Actually they were called the Children of Israel. And the preamble (what the Jews call the First Commandment says who the Sabbath is for:

"First Commandment (Exodus 20:2): I am the Lord Your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage."
Ten Commandments - My Jewish Learning

But of course, you will disagree with their statement that the Sabbath was only for the Israelites, who were brought out of Egypt and out of the house of bondage."





Actually I read them in light of the severe Death Penalty that could and would be imposed on Gentiles for keeping the Sabbath. THAT is something that you repeatedly have ignored. And I read it in light of the Jewish First Commandment cited above. And I read it in light of First Century Christian Fathers that condemned Sabbath Keeping as an anti-Christian, anti-Resurrection, anti-Gospel vile heresy.






No loophole. It was not commanded by either Jesus or Paul or anywhere in the New Testament. The law was written for the Israelites, not me an American. And Sunday worship commemorates the Resurrection, rather than the delivery of the Israelites out of Egyptian bondage.

As for the view on Colossians 2:14-17 , Messianic Jew, Messianic Hebrews, and many Christians now are opening there eyes to see what that chapter really means when read in context. Just read from beginning to end and it makes sense that the commandments were not abolished on the cross.

The ordinances had to do with the various laws which dealt with feast days, the services of the priests, the offerings, and the worldly sanctuary.

Hebrews 9:9-10
(9) Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
(10) Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

There are those ordinances again.

EPH. 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

There are no ordinances found in the 10 Commandments

Gods gave the New Covenant to Israel, NOT America, so you are spiritually grafted into Israel.

No one has every said anything is wrong with Sunday worship, its you that keeping going on with your anti SDA speech in response to everything.

The issue here is you seem to have some against the Sabbath, which is simply a day or rest. You dont seem to get that and keep going on and on about Acts 15...Once again the Sabbath is a day of rest as it always has been. Its man kind who said you must worship and dont do xyz on a Saturday.

 

[LarryP2]

As for the view on Colossians 2:14-17 , Messianic Jew, Messianic Hebrews, and many Christians now are opening there eyes to see what that chapter really means when read in context. Just read from beginning to end and it makes sense that the commandments were not abolished on the cross.

Good for them! But the First Century Christian Fathers UNANIMOUSLY denounced Sabbath Keeping as an ant-Christian heresy. THey were disciples of the Apostles. Mosaic Law was early on recognized as being toxic and destructive to Christians.

The ordinances had to do with the various laws which dealt with feast days, the services of the priests, the offerings, and the worldly sanctuary.

Seventh Day Adventist Sabbath Scholar Samuele Bacchiochi disagrees that the 7th Day Sabbath was not included in that text. NONE of the respectable commentaries agree with your position.

There are no ordinances found in the 10 Commandments

Oh I see. "Ordinances" and not "Commandments" nor are they "Laws." NO legitimate commentary agrees with that. That "red horse" that just ran by is not a "red animal."

No one has every said anything is wrong with Sunday worship, its you that keeping going on with your anti SDA speech in response to everything.

SDA's call Sunday worshiping Christian denominations the "harlot of Babylon" and the "Apostate Daughters of the harlot of Babylon." That sounds awfully like them saying something is wrong with Sunday worship. Please prove me wrong on that. In fact, the Great Controversy was investigated as a hate crime in Canada for saying that!

The issue here is you seem to have some against the Sabbath, which is simply a day or rest. You dont seem to get that and keep going on and on about Acts 15...Once again the Sabbath is a day of rest as it always has been. Its man kind who said you must worship and dont do xyz on a Saturday.

I have an issue with the Sabbath because the SDAs CLEARLY make it a matter of Salvation. They use it to denigrate the Resurrection, the Divinity of Christ, and the Trinity as the central doctrine of Christianity and the Christian path of salvation. They require perfect Sabbath Keeping to achieve Salvation. THAT IS THE OPPOSITE OF CHRISTIANITY.

 

[LarryP2]

Mark 7:20-24
New International Version (NIV)

20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

Once again, Jesus Christ failed to command the Sabbath when reaffirming some of the Commandments.