Then are you saying it be safe to ask God to communicate through Ouiji boards and tarot cards without having to worry about any outside "interference"?
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They are only exceptions because of unbelief. They should be the norm.
It was Jesus Himself who said that if we ask the Father for a good gift He will not give us a serpent, so your concern about communicating with a demon is not just unlikely it would make God a liar, assuming that it is a child of God who is asking.
Really? You need to stretch it that far to prove your point? If I ask God to say whatever He wants me to know and then think what I hear important enough to write down, how is that like asking God to speak to me and then before I give Him a chance to answer asking Satan what God would say to me? Or maybe I should ask God to speak, and not write down what He says. Or ask Him to speak and not expect Him to. Maybe I should just agree with the cessationists that contrary to what the Bible says, God doesn't speak to His children anymore.Then are you saying it be safe to ask God to communicate through Ouiji boards and tarot cards without having to worry about any outside "interference"?
They are only exceptions because of unbelief. They should be the norm.
It was Jesus Himself who said that if we ask the Father for a good gift He will not give us a serpent, so your concern about communicating with a demon is not just unlikely it would make God a liar, assuming that it is a child of God who is asking.
All I did was quote Jesus about the Father's goodness. If you are confident in your own wisdom enough to call God a liar that's your business.If this were an accurate description of the situation, then there would be no unanswered prayers by Christians in a state of grace. Obviously, there are, because not everything we will is something that God wills, and when our wills conflict, then God's overrules. We don't always know the reasons why God refuses to answer a specific prayer, and so presuming that God will always answer our prayers if we are living a godly life and have no reason to believe that we have drifted away from Him leads to an inaccurate concept of how prayer really works.
God is not our servant, or a vending machine where you insert prayer and get what you ask. The Bible also states that God grants prayer according to His own will. We are not always correct in thinking that what we pray for will be to our or anyone else's benefit, even when we have no reason to believe that it will cause harm. God understands better than we do.
So, when we pray for God to grant us knowledge in a specific way, we do not have a guarantee that God will do that. That goes back to the original statements I made. Many times, we deceive ourselves in a situation like that. I remember, several years ago during a bout of obsessive compulsive disorder (in the summer of 2008, when I was 16 and before I became Catholic), praying and looking through the Bible to try to find a verse to answer my concerns about specific intrusive thoughts (this was the whole "bibliomancy" thing that I was talking about earlier). I found a verse that seemed to answer in the affirmative, that what I was doing inadvertently was wrong. Clearly, that was not some sort of sign from God.
Later, when I actually sat down and read the gospels, that was when I felt the love of God in my heart, and saw that He is a good Lord and a blessed refuge for the weary.
You can take that for what it's worth, really. Anecdotes aren't necessarily that valuable. Still, I think that this expresses the danger of allowing our own faulty psychology as a potential sign from God pretty succinctly.
Really? You need to stretch it that far to prove your point? If I ask God to say whatever He wants me to know and then think what I hear important enough to write down, how is that like asking God to speak to me and then before I give Him a chance to answer asking Satan what God would say to me? Or maybe I should ask God to speak, and not write down what He says. Or ask Him to speak and not expect Him to. Maybe I should just agree with the cessationists that contrary to what the Bible says, God doesn't speak to His children anymore.
When did I ever say anything about ouji boards? You are the one who took it that far.You're the one who took it that far, not me. It's a common method to reach other spirits just be clearing your mind and sitting there with a journal, and writing down whatever is heard. I just wanted to know if you thought some other methods of spiritists were viable as well.
Seems like you want it both ways.
When did I ever say anything about ouji boards? You are the one who took it that far.
Do you believe that God still speaks to His people?
Do you have scriptural support for that assertion or am I to take it on your authority?I was clear. You are the one supporting sitting there with a journal waiting for voices. That's an occultic practice as well. They hear from spirits doing that.
Seems to me Faulty is mixing up auto writing and journaling. Journaling is a very common way people use to get their thoughts down to help remember, to organize ones thoughts and a number of other reasons. None of those are connecting with Satan's realm.
To say other wise about journaling is to say snakes of Satan and we should never touch them, play with them, eat them, see them etc. No God created snakes just like all other animals and Satan just used one in the garden.
If we didn't have journaling, men hearing from God and writing it down we wouldn't have the Bible!
Do you have scriptural support for that assertion or am I to take it on your authority?
Noise, we need noise. And a fig tree to sit under in the heat of the day.is it just the presence of writing utensils that makes your quiet time evil? or is all quiet time just bad in general
That is probably the case, even if Hunt's words didn't come out to sound that way. If we write down everything we hear, we are likely to get a mix of voices -- including our own. That's not a bad thing -- it's just what happens all day long when we're not listening. It's our job to sort it out.I think, from one of the descriptions here, that he's referring to a specific practice where a person sits at a desk quietly and writes down words that pop into his or her head with the belief that those words may be a communication from God. That sounds like a superstitious attempt to get some sort of special message from God, almost like bibliomancy (opening a Bible up to a random page and applying the first verse you come to to your present situation).
Otherwise, the idea that simply sitting alone in a room while writing is somehow "unbiblical" is just bizarre.
Sorry to hear about your friends. What a shock that must have been.Another weird thing....of the group's "elders." (Who were given a lot of spiritual authority )- One was killed and body burned (my friend), another had a stroke, another almost died, another did die...in the presence of the leader. (medical help not called- the man died needlessly and in pain)....
I really need to write a book about this dangerous place. I am so thankful God had mercy to open my eyes, get me out, protect my family and kids from serious harm.
Death and destruction.My friend had one....her pregnancy went WAY WAY past due....past 18 months....baby of course born dead at that point.
Faulty-
I believe the issue with A Course in Miracles is not the action writing but the SOURCE. New Age Occultic and Anti-Christ. This stuff is sweeping across the planet right now....truly doctrines of demons. I agree with you that it is a form of channeling....and many other books have come down the pike in the same vein such as "Afternoons with Morrie" and others.
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