Thoughts on charismatic mass?

[Nickieb03]

I'm going to one Friday night to be healed/saved I guess you can say. Does it work or not?

 

[AMDG]

Work? Nothing is impossible with God. It's a Mass--the highest prayer of the Catholic Church. And prayer is always answered. (Sometimes the answer is "yes". Sometimes the answer is "no". Sometimes the answer is "wait". And sometimes there's healing that we aren't aware of. God knows what He is doing.

 

[Nickieb03]

Work? Nothing is impossible with God. It's a Mass--the highest prayer of the Catholic Church. And prayer is always answered. (Sometimes the answer is "yes". Sometimes the answer is "no". Sometimes the answer is "wait". And sometimes there's healing that we aren't aware of. God knows what He is doing.

Well I don't see God saying "no" to this. I think he'd see me suffering and turn it back to normal..or at least I hope.

 

[Tigg]

Work? Are you going to a healing service after the Mass? I dunno. I have been to Charismatic Masses (love them and regular as well) but I have not seen any "healing" offered during Mass. But who knows, I haven't been to a Charismatic Mass in a long time. I will pray for your healing for sure.

I go to Mass to have the Eucharist, the body and blood of Jesus. All else is secondary.

God bless.

Edit: I am not God and He will do what He will do.

 

[Nickieb03]

Work? Are you going to a healing service after the Mass? I dunno. I have been to Charismatic Masses (love them and regular as well) but I have not seen any "healing" offered during Mass. But who knows, I haven't been to a Charismatic Mass in a long time. I will pray for your healing for sure.

I go to Mass to have the Eucharist, the body and blood of Jesus. All else is secondary.

God bless.

Edit: I am not God and He will do what He will do.

I'm going to the healing after it and I hope it works though. I don't see God keeping me in this punishment.

 

[benedictaoo]

I'm going to one Friday night to be healed/saved I guess you can say. Does it work or not?

Saved??? huh??? healed??? huh???

I don't even know what the comment to be "saved" means but you can be healed at every Mass. It does not have to be "Charismatic" Mass.

My thoughts are, as well intended these "Masses" are, they are unnecessary.

There is no other Mass that can do anything different or better. Mass is Mass. The Holy Spirit is invoked at every Mass, He does not need it to be a "Charismatic" Mass to be invoked.

 

[benedictaoo]

Work? Are you going to a healing service after the Mass? I dunno. I have been to Charismatic Masses (love them and regular as well) but I have not seen any "healing" offered during Mass. But who knows, I haven't been to a Charismatic Mass in a long time. I will pray for your healing for sure.

I go to Mass to have the Eucharist, the body and blood of Jesus. All else is secondary.

God bless.

Edit: I am not God and He will do what He will do.

The haling, a healing is offered at every single Mass that is said through the world.

ALL-- ALL healing comes to us through Christ's presence in the Eucharist.

 

[benedictaoo]

and when we say healing- we mean our SOULS. "Say the word and my SOUL shall be healed". They do need to put that back into the response.

Anyway, God will heal you according to His will and His purpose, what ever that may be and Jesus came to heal the soul of the wounds of sin. This is the healing we should seek and as Jesus says, and the rest will be added to us.

 

[Tigg]

and when we say healing- we mean our SOULS. "Say the word and my SOUL shall be healed". They do need to put that back into the response.

Anyway, God will heal you according to His will and His purpose, what ever that may be and Jesus came to heal the soul of the wounds of sin. This is the healing we should seek and as Jesus says, and the rest will be added to us.

You are correct of course. The most important of all is our very souls. But physical healing is wonderful as well. I supposed, that the way the question was asked, that it would be something like a protestant or faith healer deal, so to speak. And Father invites anyone who needs healing to step forward or sum such... My bad. My bad. I beg forgiveness all. Mea culpa.

And yes, we do pray for healing as you so state and can also add our own prayers for others or self.

Nickieb03, I have no idea why God heals one and not another. Why one suffers horribly and another does not. I only know I am supposed to be thankful. And that is and can be very hard to do. God bless and be with you.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

God healeth whom he will. The Holy Sacrifice of the Mass is about our Lord Jesus and the Christ in the Holy Eucharist; this is the main focus, not "healing:" that is up to God.

 

[Davidnic]

The haling, a healing is offered at every single Mass that is said through the world.

ALL-- ALL healing comes to us through Christ's presence in the Eucharist.

True, and proper Charismatic Catholic Renewal is done with a very Eucharist centered view. You just don't see it as often as you should.

But yes....yes...focus on the Eucharist. He is there for us.

 

[Davidnic]

No one knows why healing is given to one and not another. Know you have my prayers.

God brings good from things we can not understand. But I pray your suffering passes from you in His mercy.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

Nevertheless.............

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

Charismatic services usually do have a healing component, after the official mass is done. There is laying on of hands, and prayer offered for those seeking healing.

Father McDonough in Boston was known as the healing Priest. He had the gift of healing, that is spoken of in scripture. The gifts are manifested through the Holy spirit. He was part of the famous Mission church. The basiliica of Our Lady of Perpetual help.

Mission Church of Boston

Father McDonough's Healing and Restoration Ministry

Charisms
799 Whether extraordinary or simple and humble, charisms are graces of the Holy Spirit which directly or indirectly benefit the Church, ordered as they are to her building up, to the good of men, and to the needs of the world.
800 Charisms are to be accepted with gratitude by the person who receives them and by all members of the Church as well. They are a wonderfully rich grace for the apostolic vitality and for the holiness of the entire Body of Christ, provided they really are genuine gifts of the Holy Spirit and are used in full conformity with authentic promptings of this same Spirit, that is, in keeping with charity, the true measure of all charisms.253 801 It is in this sense that discernment of charisms is always necessary. No charism is exempt from being referred and submitted to the Church's shepherds. "Their office [is] not indeed to extinguish the Spirit, but to test all things and hold fast to what is good,"254 so that all the diverse and complementary charisms work together "for the common good."255

Remember though, that healing is sometimes a process. Not all healing is instantaneous.

 

[Fantine]

There was a priest in NY, Fr. Dennis Kelleher of the Marian Healing Ministry, who traveled around giving "healing Masses" in the 1980's and 90's. He has passed away now.

I attended one of his Masses and several of my family members did at different times. One of my nieces experienced an immediate healing; in several other cases family members recovered, but not immediately or dramatically.

One family member with a serious chronic illness said, "Sometimes the "healing" is the grace to accept the illness you have."

I remember that Fr. Kelleher said that one must never pray for one's own healing--that one must pray for others.

I felt an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, and it was a powerful emotional experience.

One man told me later that he had never been able to put up a Christmas tree since his son died during the Christmas season many years before. After attending the healing Mass he was able to put up a Christmas tree. That may not seem like much to some, but it was his first step towards closure in the face of overwhelming grief.

In the early Church, Masses weren't stiff and formal with language that was designed to confuse rather than communicate. Charismatic Masses are closer to the early Church than today's "Novus Ordo," which is closer than the "novus ordo" obviously will be in the future.

 

[Rhamiel]

may the Lord bless you and heal you of all that is harming you

offer up your suffering to God

 

[Rhamiel]

guys... you are kind of discouraging this young woman from seeking healing... is that really the best thing to do?

 

[AMDG]

guys... you are kind of discouraging this young woman from seeking healing... is that really the best thing to do?

Surely don't want to discourage, but at the same time, I want to make sure that a Charismatic Mass is not sought simply to see if it "works" nor do I want her to feel any chance of "disappointment" because things are not exactly according to "script"--God is too big, too majestic, too mysterious for that.

Yes I too have been to Charismatic Healing Masses and I have seen the hands on praying over others and I've seen people "slain in the Spirit". I know that there is always an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, yet as Fantine mentioned, sometimes there is healing in ways the person cannot even imagine. Sometimes the healing is enabling the person to bear his cross, Sometimes there is healing of some other area. Yes, I have even seen some folks physically healed of some ailment. Always there is some healing of a person's soul. We cannot put God in a box--hoping that He will only give us what we want and not what God knows is best for us and I don't think we should want to.

As I said before--prayer is always answered. (But it can be answered even when we don't think it is.)

 

[benedictaoo]

You are correct of course. The most important of all is our very souls. But physical healing is wonderful as well. I supposed, that the way the question was asked, that it would be something like a protestant or faith healer deal, so to speak. And Father invites anyone who needs healing to step forward or sum such... My bad. My bad. I beg forgiveness all. Mea culpa.

And yes, we do pray for healing as you so state and can also add our own prayers for others or self.

Nickieb03, I have no idea why God heals one and not another. Why one suffers horribly and another does not. I only know I am supposed to be thankful. And that is and can be very hard to do. God bless and be with you.

My point is God is not confined to healing physical ailments via a Charismatic Mass.

Some ppl may have the gift of healing (and only God gives it, no one can asks for it) and a "Charismatic Mass" throws red flags to me.

Every healing Mass I ever attended wasn't not called a Charismatic Mass. That distinction need not be.

Now, when God gives a person the gift of healing-- if God chooses to heal a person it is for the purpose of building up the Church, showing His might, mercy, power and love.

It will not be because the person has a good argument for being healed. Not because a mother has 5 kids she needs to raise, etc. Yes God does have mercy on us and can heal out of His goodness and mercy, we should never cease to ask Him for His mercy, however, the reality is, these things like illness are a result of a world broken by sin.

Jesus came to save us from hell- sin- Satan- and death. He did not come to take away suffering that is a result of this fallen world. Instead He suffered it with us and showed us the way to the Father through acceptance of His will.

And Jesus can heal out of mercy and love but not everyone will be healed but everyone who wants to heal the soul, will.

We have to understand physical and spiritual go hand and hand. There are many things about sin that can bring on our physical ailments.

We first should heal the soul and root out any evil and sin that may be there and these healing Masses are a gift to God's ppl, but go there asking to be healed for God's glory for the good of the Church.

He grants miraculous healing to who He will. He heals to show His power and to draw ppl to the faith.

And God has given mankind many healing already through medicines and research and scientists discovering cures. We must not forgot these are healing God has given us because He is mercy and because He is good ad because He loves us.

 

[benedictaoo]

guys... you are kind of discouraging this young woman from seeking healing... is that really the best thing to do?

NO. I'm not- just trying to explain the purpose of it and resolving oneself to God's will.

We have been so bombarded with the Protestants understanding of healing, we need to know the truth. We should go with expectant faith, but we should also go knowing that God heals to show Himself much like He did in the OT.

The "Charismatic" and TBN style preaching leads ppl to believe He will heal anyone who has faith strong enough.

Not true. Your faith can be as strong as any one's but God's will may be that you endure.

God has given us many cures and healing and He can heal anyone He so desires to heal and when He does it is for the good of the Church usually.

We all should ask fr what we need but we also need to know what accepting His will is first and foremost.

A drug addict may be delivered from his addiction in a instance, but another drug addict may struggle the rest of his life to over come.

God healed one miraculously instantaneously to show His power and to give ppl hope and so we will know He is the one Turin God.

He may heal the other through trials and much suffering.

But both are given His grace to be healed.