"Thou shall not kill"

[Dungbeetle]

That is one of the ten commandments of God. It does not just refer to other people, but also to yourself. As far as I am aware, we do not have a right to kill ourselves. That is God's right as our Creator.

I am glad that I believed this when I was young otherwise, I may not have been here by now. My life as a teenager was very scarey, very disgusting and very, very unbearable. But I did not kill myself because I believed that I did not have a right. I am glad that I believed that, now, because I have come through all that terrible, terrible time. Thanks to God, I was delivered from my hell at the age of 24.

To any other young people going through hell, I want to ask you to please hang in there. Do not give up hope. God will help you as He helped me.

 

[Morninglife]

Wow.

And my whole life up to this point I thought killing was okay. [/sarcasm]

We're not idiots.

I don't believe I have a right to kill myself either, but unfortunately that didn't make the pain go away like I was expecting.

I wonder if you were really ever actually suicidal, not just depressed.

 

[Dungbeetle]

I think that I have explained how I felt as a teenager pretty well in the above post. It is not something which I enjoy remembering but I did so to try to help others who are going through it now.

 

[Morninglife]

Sorry for snapping at you kind of. I've been really testy all day. I don't know if you got my PM, but please forgive me..

 

[borderliner]

I will tell you know, I do not mean to be offensive in this post.
While people may not have the "right" to kill themselves, it is not our right to judge people who do. I am sorry to say this, but it wasn't 100% God that saved you, logically, realistically, you still had some coping skills. You knew how to deal with it in a positive way in one way or another eventually. Don't get me wrong, in no way am I saying God doesn't help in these situations, I know for a fact that He does, as he did the same for me. He sent certain people to help me during times. Example he sent my brother to me, to ask me a simple question of, do I want a ride home, that lunch hour I would have jumped the bridge into the rapids. I was actually walking there when my brother stopped me and asked me. So yes, God did step in there. But how can you judge a 14 year old who wanted to end all the pain? Are they going to go to hell? For wanting to be with God? For wanting to end the pain that they were in? Yes, there is help out there, but it is for the rich, or University Students. If there is nothing there for anyone of these people, where is God? Huh? From experiance, I know He is there, but from the stand point of being in such a dark, dark place, there is nothing, and no one. All you know is that when it finally works, you will be in Heaven. Yes, Suicide is a difficult thing, and it is very painful for the family and friends, and everyone else around. But we have no right to judge, we don't know what some of these men and women are going through. But you know what? God calls us when He is ready to recieve us, it may come as an incredible shock to the rest of us, and may be very painful, but God called them back. It was their time to go. God loves all of us, He isn't going to send some hurting child who wanted to end it to get rid of the pain and be with God forever to Hell. Right? Think about it. The cold hard truth is, there is no help for some of these people. And no other hope. As well, as I am sure you know, since you have been through this before, when you are suicidal, you can't see anything else around you. Nothing else matters, you can't think of your family, your friends, you can't think of how they are going to feel, the only thing you are concentrating on is ending it. Just some food for thought. I do apologise if this may have offended you, but this is my own opinion. God Bless. And congratulations on pulling free from the demons. I hope you are helping young people fight their own demons. You do have a powerful gift. You have life experiance. And I commend you for speaking up.

 

[Dungbeetle]

Sorry for snapping at you kind of. I've been really testy all day. I don't know if you got my PM, but please forgive me..

Hi

Yes, I got your PM this morning. I have replied. I just wanted to say that, of course I forgive you and I understand what you are going through.

Please try to get the help that you need to ease you through this period in your life so that you may come out of it a stronger person. If you live in America there are programmes for people who cannot afford medication. Here is a link for one of them:

https://www.pparx.org/about.php

I hope that you will be able to get the medication and help that you need soon so that your pain will be easier to bear. God bless you.

 

[pockleberry]

Hey Borderliner maybe I've misunderstood what you are saying but it sounds to me as if you are saying that in some cases suicide is ok and that confuses me a bit.

I know that it is not our place to judge people who do commit suicide and that yes like you said for alot of them it was there only hope of ending the pain because they wernt able to get help anywhere. I believe like you that God isn't gonna just send them to hell cause he has compassion and loves them so doesnt want to see them hurting but I know deep down that God doesnt want anyone to kill themselves. But in the same way isn't what you are saying still judging them just in a different way?
Are you saying that if people can't get any help then it's ok for them to kill themselves?...cause that's how I read it. Sorry if I have got this completly wrong I just wanted to try and understand better...

 

[burn97]

I agree with pockleberry, it does sound that way

I believe it is against the natural order of things to take it into your own hands and end you life. God, is the only one who has that right. He promises to help us in our times of trouble, deliver us, ect.
However, God is our Judge, and it's not my place to judge whether or not someone goes to heaven or hell, that's only for God to say,
(thankfully, I wouldn't want that job)

 

[borderliner]

I am not saying Suicide is the only option no. It causes a LOT of pain here on earth, for everyone else. And I am not condoning the act, or in no way promoting it. But at the same time, it is a persons choice. Try to put yourself in their shoes, or remember what it felt like, for those of you who have already been there.
They are dead, leave them be, they have been judged enough while they were here on earth, don't judge them now they are gone. Let their souls rest.
I am simply pro choice.

 

[borderliner]

There are a lot of things that are wrong with this world. But why rub it in peoples faces. I am not saying suicide is the right answer, no, but I will not tell them whether or not they can or can;t.

 

[borderliner]

And I will say this once more, it is not my intention to offend anyone here. You asked for my explanation, you have recieved it. I apologise if anyone is repulsed, however, everyone is entitled to his or her opinions.
God Bless. Yes, I am a Christian.

BL.

 

[Ruth~]

Thou Shalt Not Kill, at all, anything.

 

[Dungbeetle]

Medication and therapy are the answers, NOT suicide.

 

[Akathist]

Staff are closing this thread as it is becoming a debate and is not about supporting and encouraging one another. The ethics and morality of suicide may be discussed in Christian Philosophy and Ethics or in Ethics and Morality or perhaps in some of the congregational areas, but NOT in Recovery or Mental Health.

This is the area that member come to for tender loving care.

There is another thread called "Suicide" that I started and you are welcome to post encouraging words to anyone who might be suicidal to discourage them from harming themselves.​