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Ok here it is. This week's questions aren't too tough, I don't think.

Now there is a rule change :p

** If you have successfully answered one of the "Older Christian" questions, you are no longer eligible for the "Younger Christian" questions. This seems fair to me, and gives more people the opportunity to answer where they might not have had a chance before. Consequently I'm bumping up the reward level for the second question.**

Ok here goes.

QUESTION ONE (For the "younger" Christians)

1. The twelve apostles are often divided into 3 groups (or 4 groups depending). Name the apostles in each division. Yes, you're going to have to read the Gospels :p

reward: 100 blessings

QUESTION TWO (for the "older " Christians)

Name the three types of Hebrew poetry and give an example for each.

Told ya your concordances wouldn't help... Don't be a concordance cripple. If computer programs are your primary or only means of searching scripture... well, that's just sad.

reward 150 blessings.

QUESTION THREE (BONUS for anyone).

What is the theanthropic principle?

Prove it! (With scripture)

reward 200 blessings because this is a big one. Prove it with scripture only, not commentary references etc.

Good luck and happy studying!
 

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BT said:
QUESTION THREE (BONUS for anyone).

What is the theanthropic principle?

Prove it! (With scripture)

reward 200 blessings because this is a big one. Prove it with scripture only, not commentary references etc.
The theanthropic principle means that Jesus was not merely another individualization of human nature, but the conjoining of the divine and human natures in a new order of being — a theanthropic person. Or in other words fully God and fully man. This word is actually a compound word that combines two Greek words: theos (meaning "God") and anthropos (meaning "man"). Jesus is the Theos-anthropos, the God-man.

Romans 1:3-43 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; 4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

Luke 2:40And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

Hebrews 2:16-1816 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Mark 8:27-3027 And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am? 28 And they answered, John the Baptist: but some say, Elias; and others, One of the prophets. 29 And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ. 30 And he charged them that they should tell no man of him.

Philippians 2:6-116 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: 7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: 8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. 9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: 10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; 11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
 
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BT said:
Not bad Lollard but there is more to prove the humanity and the deity of Christ.... (your answer is not wrong...just not enough, yet)
Fair enough :) To that I would add this for diety:
From the Old Testament
Daniel 7:13-1413 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
From Jesus
Mark 8:38Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Mark 13:26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
From Stephen
Acts 7:55But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
More on Jesus being fully God:
Isa. 9:6; Matt. 11:27; 16:16; Mark 2:5-7; Luke 5:20-22; 9:20; John 1:1; 1:14; 2:19, 21; 3:13, 31; 5:18; 6:38; 8:58; 9: 38; 10:17; 10:30; 13:3; 14:9; 14:23; 16:15; 16:28; 17:8; 17:21-23; 20:28; Romans 9:5; 1 Cor. 10:3-4; 15:47; 18:4-6; 2 Cor. 8:9; Phil. 2:5-11; Colossians 1:15-17, 19; 2:9; 1 Tim. 1:17; 2:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:2-3, 8-11; 2:7, 9, 14, 16; 13:8; 1 John 5:20; Rev. 1:8, 17; 2:8; 3:14.

On Jesus being fully human:
Matt. 1:1, 18-25; 4:2; 26:38; Luke 1:26-38; 9:58; 22:44; John 1:14; 11:33-35; 19:28, 34; Romans 9:5; 1 Cor. 15:3; Gal. 4:4; Phil. 2:5-11; 1 Tim. 2:5; 3:16; Heb. 2:14-15, 17-18; 4:15; 10:5; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 4:2; 2 John 7

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pressingon said:
Three types of Hebrew poetry are lyrical poetry, instructional poetry, and dramatic poetry.

Much lyrical poetry can be found in the book of Psalms... Proverbs contains a wealth of instructional poetry... and Job is a prime example of dramatic poetry.
If I may... keep pressing on ... keep digging, or studying (the answer is incorrect though you can see instructional,lyrical, and dramatic styles)
 
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BT said:
QUESTION TWO (for the "older " Christians)

Name the three types of Hebrew poetry and give an example for each.

Told ya your concordances wouldn't help... Don't be a concordance cripple. If computer programs are your primary or only means of searching scripture... well, that's just sad.

reward 150 blessings.
Kind of ambiguous question...

Three types of Hebrew poetry are those which contain

Synthetic (Formal) parallelism
- Poetry which does not fall into the Antithetic or Synonymous parallels
- Psalm 119:153
Antithetic parallelism
- That which contradicts the thought formerly stated
- Psalm 1:6
or
Synonymous parallelism
- That which agrees with the thought formerly stated
- Psalm 25:4

===OR===

We could talk about the Hebrew poetry which:
Laments
- Psalm 31
Praises
- Psalm 33
Gives thanks
- Psalm 32
 
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LaxItUp said:
Kind of ambiguous question...

Three types of Hebrew poetry are those which contain

Synthetic (Formal) parallelism
- Poetry which does not fall into the Antithetic or Synonymous parallels
- Psalm 119:153
Antithetic parallelism
- That which contradicts the thought formerly stated
- Psalm 1:6
or
Synonymous parallelism
- That which agrees with the thought formerly stated
- Psalm 25:4
You got it! These are three types of Hebrew poetry.

1. agrees with the thought formerly stated
2. contradicts the thought formerly stated
3. Is neither of the other two

Congratulations Lax!
 
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I dunno exactly about The Anthropic Principle, but if to Anthropamorphise GOD means to lower him to human level and take away that which makes him divine then surely the Anthropic Principle has something to do with the epistemic distance between us and God?
 
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BT said:
Yes, sorry I've been away. There are better (or other) proofs of His humanity and deity but what you have is great. You win!
Well since this is about us learning, I would be greatly appreciative if you could point me to the better proofs. Educate me !!! :)

At least point me in the direction, if you are short on time.
 
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Lollard said:
Well since this is about us learning, I would be greatly appreciative if you could point me to the better proofs. Educate me !!! :)

At least point me in the direction, if you are short on time.
Sure thing.. here is some information from a paper that I wrote for a doctrines class on "The Humanity of Christ"

THE HUMANITY OF JESUS CHRIST


Jesus Christ was not mere man, nor was he God only. Jesus Christ is in fact the God-Man. It is the second half of the title of "God-Man" which this term paper will deal with. That Jesus Christ is the second person of the trinity, the only begotten Son of the Living God is not a subject that needs to be addressed. It is the humanity of Jesus Christ that links Him to us in an intimate and unique sense. The scope of this term paper will include the birth of Jesus Christ, the earthly life of Jesus Christ, and finally the death of Jesus Christ. Through this paper we will see that from the beginning of His time on Earth until the end of His time on Earth, Jesus Christ was as human as any other person.


Chapter One
The Incarnation and Childhood of Jesus


The incarnation is a fundamental truth that must be fixed in the mind of the believer as the ground for all other doctrines concerning Jesus Christ. Lewis Sperry Chafer states the importance of this fact as follows, "He combines in Himself undiminished Deity and perfect humanity, there is none other comparable to Him, either within the Godhead, among angels, or among men. This theanthropic Person is as much God as is the Father or the Holy Spirit; but neither the Father nor the Spirit has come into union with that which is human." Upon His entrance into the world of Flesh, Jesus Christ was completely human. This fact can be seen in the Gospel account of Luke. The child that Mary carried, grew in her womb and was delivered in a normal human fashion, as seen in Luke 2:5-7 "To be taxed with Mary his espoused wife, being great with child. And so it was, that, while they were there, the days were accomplished that she should be delivered. And she brought forth her firstborn Son …" The human embryonic development of Jesus Christ was exactly as our own, which shows that even at the time of His birth, He was completely human.

While there is not much information in the scriptures regarding the childhood of Jesus, there is significant evidence as to the humanity of the child. We can see from such scriptures as Luke 2:40, which states, "And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him", that Jesus "grew" physically. Not only did the boy grow physically, Luke 2:52 explains, "And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man". The distinct attributes of human beings that are found in the preceding verses are growth in both physical form, and wisdom. We learn from this that Jesus was subject to the same human development as we are. The physical body of Jesus was accountable to the same natural laws that are common to us. His body needed to grow and mature along with his mind. He was to all appearances a normal child, the son of a humble carpenter and his wife. This natural acceptance of the people whom he lived with again shows the natural human development of Jesus. Though it is not explicitly stated in the Gospels during the period of His childhood, there are other verses which show that his neighbours considered him a normal human being. When he returned to Nazareth the people proclaimed, "Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James…" (Mark 6:3). That He was familiar to the people of his hometown indicates that they had watched him grow up amongst them as a totally normal child. So normal in fact that when he returned during His years of Ministry He was rejected.

Chapter II
Humanity Seen in the Ministry Years

It is during the years of Christ’s ministry that we see the most evidence of his complete humanity. The evidence that can be found in these portions of scripture attest to the natural body of Jesus. We are told in many places that Jesus required food, or became weary. We can also see complete human emotion in Jesus during times of sadness and anger. Emery Bancroft notes that Jesus "was moved by the instinctive principles and exercised the active powers which belong to a normal and developed humanity."

Beyond the natural needs of the human body, I find the greatest significant evidence of Jesus’ humanity in His self-appointed title of "The Son of Man." Henry Halley speaks on the significance of the title "The Son of Man" in this way, "Also, it suggests that Jesus rejoiced in his experience as God in human form, sharing the life of mankind. He carried the title with him to heaven". It is important to note that the title "The Son of Man" was Jesus’ favourite name for Himself. This title is used over 70 times in the Gospels. It is as if Jesus knew that He would be regarded as God Himself after the resurrection, and so wanted His human nature to be remembered as significant to His complete person. The title Son of Man also terms Him the Son of Adam, or the Son of Mary. Lewis Sperry Chafer considers the title "Son of Man" was given such significance by our Lord Himself because "the element which was new, and therefore to be made impressive, was His humanity..", a notion which I tend to agree with. When John tells us that the "Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us" (John 1:14), he is revealing a magnificent truth that must be remembered when we are tempted or find ourselves in trials. It is His distinct humanity in combination with His deity, which ensures us that we, as humans, can never be separated from Him, as God.

It was during the years of His ministry that we see Jesus using this title. It is not surprising that Jesus stressed his humanity if you consider the divine aspects of His ministry. He was known for performing great miracles and many considered him the Messiah, as is seen during the Triumphal entry when the crowds shouted "Blessed be the kingdom of our father David, that cometh in the name of the Lord: Hosanna in the highest." (Mark 11:10). It was likely due to the common knowledge of his divine nature that He chose to express His humanity when He taught.

Chapter III
The Death of Jesus Christ

The final place in which we will ascertain the humanity of Jesus Christ is a hill outside the walls of Jerusalem called Calvary. It was here that the life of Jesus Christ came to an end. The medical facts of the death of Christ are sufficient to prove that he was possessed of a human body, and died a literal death. Please note that it is not the intention of the author to disprove such ridiculous ideas as the "Swoon Theory" or the "Cold Tomb" which attempt to show that Jesus did not in fact die on the cross. The fact of Christ’s literal death will be assumed as is consistent with fundamental Christian doctrine.

The evidence of blood is a clear indication of a human body. We first see the blood of Christ in the Garden of Gethsemane, where due to His foreknowledge of the events to come "he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground." (Luke 22:44). There are really two points of Jesus’ humanity in the preceding passage. First He is engaged in earnest prayer, and secondly the great stress that was upon Him caused physical distress in the sweat and blood on His brow.

The crucifixion on Calvary caused the mortal body of Jesus to die. He suffered in the exact same way as the two thieves who were on either side of Him. During this time on the cross Jesus was only able to speak out a few sentences, due to the compression of his lungs and asphyxiation which is the result of crucifixion. He further displays the needs of His human body when He cried out "I thirst" (John 19:28). A most significant fact of the death of Jesus’ human body is found in the testimony of the Roman Centurion. The Romans were masters of crucifixion and so, when the Roman centurion reported to Pilate that Jesus was dead we can be certain that He was. The centurions did not even need to break His legs, as they did to the thieves who were with Him. Rather, upon coming to His cross they recognised that He was gone. To be sure, they pierced His side with a spear and witnessed the release of blood and water. This release of these natural substances points to the piercing of the pericardium, which is a sac that encases the heart. Recent medical science has concluded that the water and blood mixture that poured out of Jesus’ side is a clear indication that the crucifixion killed him.

After the death of Jesus, at which at least some of the apostles attended, His followers fled to avoid the same fate. Clearly the obvious fact of His death caused this flight. This is a complete proof that Jesus was possessed of a mortal human body that was subject to all the attributes of our own, and that this body’s life was ended on a cross at Calvary.

Conclusion

The birth of Jesus Christ, apart from His conception, was as normal as that of any other human being in history. He grew within His mother’s womb and when her term was complete, He was brought forth from her into the world. The child that was born was then subject to the same natural development as we are. He grew in both wisdom and stature as any other child.

The ministry years of Jesus showed us that he was needful of all things that we have need of. He hungered, was thirsty, and experienced emotions that are common to human beings. Not only was He subject to our bodily needs, He further titled Himself the "Son of Man". This title, which was self-imposed, linked Him to us in a unique sense. Jesus Christ is the only heavenly being who ever became flesh.

The death of Christ showed us that His body was mortal and subject to the same limitations as our own. He was downtrodden by the vicious scourging and repeated beatings, and unable to carry His own cross the entire way to Calvary. When He reached the hill and was fixed upon the cross, the laws of nature, which apply to us, were applicable for Him. The result of crucifixion was the death of His mortal Body.

This portion of doctrine in which we learn that Jesus was as human as us, yet God at the same time is critical to the Christian. Paul teaches that "…as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous" (Romans 5:19). Jesus Christ became our "kinsman redeemer" when He left the heavenly places and came to earth in human form to save us from our sin.
 
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Lollard said:
Well since this is about us learning, I would be greatly appreciative if you could point me to the better proofs. Educate me !!! :)

At least point me in the direction, if you are short on time.
Then I find perhaps the best proofs in the first chapter of the Gospel of John..

John 1:1-51 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou? And he confessed, and denied not; but confessed, I am not the Christ. And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No. Then said they unto him, Who art thou? that we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. And they which were sent were of the Pharisees. And they asked him, and said unto him, Why baptizest thou then, if thou be not that Christ, nor Elias, neither that prophet? John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose. These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing. The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world. This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me. And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water. And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him. And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost. And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. Again the next day after John stood, and two of his disciples; And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God! And the two disciples heard him speak, and they followed Jesus. Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? He saith unto them, Come and see. They came and saw where he dwelt, and abode with him that day: for it was about the tenth hour. One of the two which heard John speak, and followed him, was Andrew, Simon Peter's brother. He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messias, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. And he brought him to Jesus. And when Jesus beheld him, he said, Thou art Simon the son of Jona: thou shalt be called Cephas, which is by interpretation, A stone. The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me. Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter. Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph. And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the fig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.
 
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Ok there were no answers to Question One so now I'm opening it up to anyone and everyone (Baptist/Anabaptist)

QUESTION ONE (For the "younger" Christians)

1. The twelve apostles are often divided into 3 groups (or 4 groups depending). Name the apostles in each division. Yes, you're going to have to read the Gospels :p

reward: 100 blessings



P.S. For the "younger" Christians if you think this question was too hard PM me and I'll try to keep them a bit simpler.. don't feel bad it just takes time and study to pick up some of this stuff...
 
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jcright said:
So what was the answer to this???

Ok I was thinking about saving this and using it again for a question to the older Christians, since it was more difficult to answer than I thought. But since you asked I'll give the answer here... that, I think is more fair..


Ok follow this:

We have four lists of the twelve apostles in the New Testament (Matthew 10:2-4, Mark 3:16-19, Luke 6:13-16, and Acts 1:13). In Luke the list goes like this
"He chose twelve whom He also named apostles: Simon, whom He also named Peter, and Andrew his brother; James and John; Philip and Bartholomew; Matthew and Thomas; James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called the Zealot; Judas the son of James, and Judas Iscariot who also became a traitor."

In all four biblical lists, the same twelve men are named, and the order in which they are given is strikingly similar. The first name in all four lists is Peter. He thus stands out as the leader and spokesman for the whole company of twelve. The twelve are then arranged in three groups of four. Group one always has Peter at the head of the list, and that group always includes Andrew, James and John. Group two always features Philip first and includes Bartholomew, Matthew and Thomas. Group three is always led by James the son of Alphaeus, and it includes Simon the Zealot; Judas son of James (called "Thaddeaus" in Mark and "Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddeaus" in Matthew); and finally Judas Iscariot. (Judas Iscariot is omitted from the list in Acts 1 because he was already dead by then. In the three lists where Judas's name is included, it always appears last, along with a remark identifying him as the traitor).


So there are your three groups... Now I said mabey four because I would have accepted Judas Iscariot outside of them all as his own group as some consider him...
 
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