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Rev 12 prophecy
(Revelation 4:2) shows that John was taken up into heaven, meaning, the spiritual realm. The entire book of Revelation occurs in the spiritual realm. It is silly to look for events on earth when interpreting it.
 
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(Revelation 4:2) shows that John was taken up into heaven, meaning, the spiritual realm. The entire book of Revelation occurs in the spiritual realm. It is silly to look for events on earth when interpreting it.

There are so many things I could point out, but let's just go with two. The earthquakes (notice the "earth" part) actually take place in heaven? And the bound angels released from beneath the river Euphrates is rather in some spiritual Euphrates, not the one we all know and that makes sense in context?
 
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(Revelation 4:2) shows that John was taken up into heaven, meaning, the spiritual realm. The entire book of Revelation occurs in the spiritual realm. It is silly to look for events on earth when interpreting it.

So no historical events in the book of Revelation? is that what you are saying?
 
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Alright great thanks for clearing this up. Good stuff.


If you had the historical view of the prophecies you would have know that this was a hoax.

Then you would not have been deceived by Satan.
 
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And the bound angels released from beneath the river Euphrates is rather in some spiritual Euphrates,
Yes. Angels reside in the spiritual realm, but the Euphrates in the physical realm. There is also a Euphrates in the spiritual realm capable of having angels below. There is sometimes a correspondence between spiritual and physical. For example (Revelation 16:3): something likely happens to the physical sea too. But it doesn't become blood. Only living organisms have blood.
 
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Angels can also reside in the physical realm. We'll jut have to disagree.
 
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So no historical events in the book of Revelation? is that what you are saying?
There is a correspondence between the dreamlike visions (those John recounts from the spiritual realm) and earthly events. We should seek to understand these correspondences.

People instinctively do this. For example, it says that the sea became blood and they interpret it figuratively to mean, everything died; or whatever.

But this doesn't work when John says, "I saw such and such". Interpreting this figuratively means it's fiction. John either saw it (fact) or he didn't (fiction).
 
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Angels can also reside in the physical realm. We'll jut have to disagree.
If angels exist in the physical realm, materialistic science can detect them. Yet it has not detected them. That is because they exist only in the spiritual realm. You can disagree, but at least explain why they remain undetected.

If you are referring to the angel who pulled Lot inside the door, yes, that has an explanation.
 
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If you had the historical view of the prophecies you would have know that this was a hoax.

Then you would not have been deceived by Satan.

Even if I was "deceived" it caused me no harm.
 
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Sure, there were the two who traveled with the pre-incarnate Jesus and ate with Abraham.

As for detecting them, whose to say we'd even know what to look for to detect them.
 
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