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No, see, I'm pretty sure those aren't actual rules at all.
There are 4 rules for interpreting scripture.
1. All biblical interpretations must glorify Christ.
2. All scripture must be confirmed by other scriptures.
3. It must testify with the Holy Spirit within you.
4. It will eventually be manifested in the flesh.
I'm sorry, I just cant believe some of the members of this "christian" forum. Not only are there numerous threads debating how great God thinks homosexual sex is, there are also threads debating whether sex before marriage is even a sin.
Jesus said to deny yourself and take up your cross...not if it feels good, do it!
The rich man turned around and walked off because he wanted eternal life, but he wasn't willing to follow Jesus. Some on this forum want it both ways. I can accept His gift of eternal life, and still not follow Him.
It's a sad day when a "christian" forum has debates about homosexuality and premarital sex.
If someone is turned away from Jesus because they are gay, then they weren't believers in the first place.I wonder how many people you guys turn away from christianity when someone reads that it's not possible to be both gay and christian.
I wonder how many people you guys turn away from christianity when someone reads that it's not possible to be both gay and christian.
Ye olde catch-22: never believers in the first place.
Catch-23: If you disagree with me, you are not really disagreeing with me, but with God.
What about the second part of my post? (I had to edit it - CF cut off my first effort with a premature post).Ye olde catch-22: never believers in the first place.
Catch-23: If you disagree with me, you are not really disagreeing with me, but with God.
ContentInHim said:If someone is turned away from Jesus because they are gay, then they weren't believers in the first place.
Did God also help you with the abominations of lobster, trimming your hair, and wearing mixed fabrics?It was hard for me to learn that my exploits were an abomination in the eyes of God. Now that I have repented and turned from that life, it becomes easier to stay turned away. When we give in to it, we have not repented. God can help us but he cannot (except in rare circumstances) do it for us! We must do it ourselves - and with God's help, nothing is impossible.
Romanseight2005 said:Do you think that lying to them and telling them that God thinks it is ok when He has said it is not, is the way to help them or show them love?
Ye olde catch-22: never believers in the first place.
Catch-23: If you disagree with me, you are not really disagreeing with me, but with God.
I wonder how many people you guys turn away from christianity when someone reads that it's not possible to be both gay and christian.
Likewise, I also wonder how many people you guys turn away from christianity when demonstrating that fruits of the spirit include bigotry, strife, idolatry, discord, and factions.
I wonder how many people you guys turn away from christianity when someone reads that it's not possible to be both gay and christian.
Likewise, I also wonder how many people you guys turn away from christianity when demonstrating that fruits of the spirit include bigotry, strife, idolatry, discord, and factions.
It would be best if you showed me exactly where God said that being homosexual is not ok.
Bear in mind the concept of sexual identity didn't exist back in the times of Leviticus...
Your interpretation is to throw out the OT. OK - that's for you to decide, not me. But the Bible is clear even in the NT that homosexual acts are an abomination. It's also clear that God will turn them over to their sin if they do not repent and give it up voluntarily. At that point, I do not claim to know whether they are still saved or not - I only know that God does not change. What was an abomination is still an abomination.No, it's because people like you try to take the keys into heaven away from God by making up rules about who can and who can't be christian.
You know, things that God should be doing, not fallible humans.
Did God also help you with the abominations of lobster, trimming your hair, and wearing mixed fabrics?
It would be best if you showed me exactly where God said that being homosexual is not ok.
Bear in mind the concept of sexual identity didn't exist back in the times of Leviticus...
When you've convinced yourself that God conveniently believes exactly everything that you believe, it's hard to understand the concept of "interpretation".
Well, 2000 years of oppression is sad too.I'm sorry, I just cant believe some of the members of this "christian" forum. Not only are there numerous threads debating how great God thinks homosexual sex is, there are also threads debating whether sex before marriage is even a sin.
Jesus said to deny yourself and take up your cross...not if it feels good, do it!
The rich man turned around and walked off because he wanted eternal life, but he wasnt willing to follow Jesus. Some on this forum want it both ways. I can accept His gift of eternal life, and still not follow Him.
It's a sad day when a "christian" forum has debates about homosexuality and premarital sex.
Well, 2000 years of oppression is sad too.
Can one of you put all Romans 1 in proper context for me?
Not the "21st century western" context but the "time and culture in which it was written" context?
RO 1:16 I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. [17] For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."
RO 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, [19] since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. [20] For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
RO 1:21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. [22] Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools [23] and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.
RO 1:24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. [25] They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator--who is forever praised. Amen.
No, it's because people like you try to take the keys into heaven away from God by making up rules about who can and who can't be christian.
You know, things that God should be doing, not fallible humans.
God states the criteria, not man. We are merely sharing what He has said, so that people don't listen to the wrong people and end up following "another Jesus" one different from the one whom Paul preached and end up where they don't want to go.
Did God also help you with the abominations of lobster, trimming your hair, and wearing mixed fabrics?
We are not under Jewish Law, but that has nothing to do with a license to live in sin. Jesus came not to abolish, but fulfill the law, and give us His Holy Spirit so that we may live righteously in the sight of God.
On a side note:
Eating Lobster/shellfish isn't good for you anyway typically, because they go to the bathroom in their shells all their lives, that is why God told them not to eat shellfish.
it's probably still not a good idea, but again we are not under the Jewish Law. But again, that doesn't mean that we can live in sin.
It would be best if you showed me exactly where God said that being homosexual is not ok.
Romans 1:18:32
But God shows his anger from heaven against all sinful, wicked people who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
They know the truth about God because he has made it obvious to them.
For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualitieshis eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.
Yes, they knew God, but they wouldnt worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused.
Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles.
So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each others bodies.
They traded the truth about God for a lie. So they worshiped and served the things God created instead of the Creator himself, who is worthy of eternal praise! Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other.
And the men, instead of having normal sexual relations with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men, and as a result of this sin, they suffered within themselves the penalty they deserved.
Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, quarreling, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They invent new ways of sinning, and they disobey their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, are heartless, and have no mercy. They know Gods justice requires that those who do these things deserve to die, yet they do them anyway. Worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too.
Bear in mind the concept of sexual identity didn't exist back in the times of Leviticus...
...um yes it did, but it doesn't matter because it is repeated in the New Testament.
When you've convinced yourself that God conveniently believes exactly everything that you believe, it's hard to understand the concept of "interpretation".
No, it isn't that we make God believe what we believe, but that we conformed our thinking to what God has said, so that our thinking is in alignment with His thinking. Not the other way around.
Isaiah 55:8-9
For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
Sorry, had to add my post and then answer the rest as the forum was acting buggy and I thought I was going to lose my work.
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