This Is Love!!!

[texastig]

I am Pro-Life and this is why: (this is a picture of my friends baby in 4D. What a smile!!)
You can't tell me this isn't a human.

Thanks,
TT

 

[Holly's_Dream]

Hopefully im a midwife to be, and i fully agree.
Although some of the babies i see at work are so tiny they are almost unhuman looking - but thats a different story.
Congrats to the mother to be

 

[LoisGriffin]

To be honest I find that whole thing very freaky. Not a fan of those 3d things it just looks so strange.

 

[Ave Maria]

Of course it is human. What did you expect us to say? That it is a cat? Just because it's a human though does not mean that it is a person with a soul that deserves rights.

 

[rcorlew]

Here is an exert from a scientific definition of life:

Life is a state that distinguishes organisms from non-living objects, such as non-life, and dead organisms. Living organisms are capable of growth and reproduction.

Now taking into consideration that a human "fetus" or "embryo" does not turn into a tree, dog or rock, or anything else except for a human, and since the fetus is growing and will be capable of reproduction, not to mention the many other prerequisites to defining life.

Thus, defining my position that despite what you call a human while it is "in womb", it is a human non the less, and thus should be granted all the rights to those organisms defined as human.

To be a bit more candid, women do not give birth to kittens, broccoli, televisions, or anything else but humans. Although I have seen some "have a cow" lol.

 

[James 1:27]

Of course it is human. What did you expect us to say? That it is a cat? Just because it's a human though does not mean that it is a person with a soul that deserves rights.

That statement is illogical! That is what a human is...a person with a soul. If you really believe what you wrote then you have bought into the biggest lie in our society. Ask God to show you what is true. Please don't be part of the deception. I say this with all due respect and love.

 

[Flibbertigibbet]

Of course it is human. What did you expect us to say? That it is a cat? Just because it's a human though does not mean that it is a person with a soul that deserves rights.

At what point do you think a child in the womb is endowed with a soul? Or is your opinion that it happens at the moment the first breath of air is drawn?


____________________________________________________________

Psalm 139:13-16
13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.

14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, 16 your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

 

[Ave Maria]

At what point do you think a child in the womb is endowed with a soul? Or is your opinion that it happens at the moment the first breath of air is drawn?


____________________________________________________________

Psalm 139:13-16
13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.

14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, 16 your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be.

My opinion is that it does not receives its soul until it receives its first breath of air.

 

[Flibbertigibbet]

My opinion is that it does not receives its soul until it receives its first breath of air.

Is there Scripture that you find supports that view?

 

[Ave Maria]

Is there Scripture that you find supports that view?

Yes, as a matter of fact there is. Please read the following articles to find Biblical support for what I am saying:

http://www.rcrc.org/pdf/RCRC_EdSeries_Personhood.pdf

http://www.rcrc.org/pdf/RCRC_EdSeries_Fetus.pdf

 

[myways]

Ha Ha!
To quote CS Lewis: We don't have a soul, we are a soul! We have a body.

--dave

 

[IronManMatt]

In the article referenced by PaladinGirl it refers to Exodus 21:22-25. The article says that this passage shows that God does not give equal moral worth to the woman as to a fetus. The article correctly says that the passage states that when a woman is injured the one who injured her were pay by “eye for eye, tooth for a tooth, life for a life”. The article incorrectly says that the passage states that a killed fetus in only punishable by a fine and thence a fetus is not a full human being since the punishment for killing it is less than the punishment for killing a human. But read the passage for yourself.

Exodus 21:22-25
22: If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.
23: And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,
24: Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
25: Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

The passage does not say the man will merely have to pay a fine for killing the child in the womb, it says he will be punished according as the woman’s husband will lay upon him and that he will also pay as the judges determine (wow, double punishment, once from the husband and again from the judges). There are no limitations in that sentence, the husband can punish the man in any way, any way includes life in prison (or more likely slavery back then since they didn’t have nomadic prisons) or death or whatever else he sees fit. Then when the husband is done with him its time for the judges to determine another punishment for him.
Based on this passage it sure seems like God holds a child in the womb in very high regard.

 

[rcorlew]

Very good response IronManMatt, the husband can indeed indicate a death penalty, slavery, huge fine or anything else for that matter. I think to overlook the fact that the offender is being punished at all is to overlook the value that God has placed on life. We are not punished for killing and eating a cow, a chicken or broccoli and apples, yet here there is a double punishment for causing the death of an unborn child.

 

[InspiredTruth]

Life is conceived at conception, not at birth. Abortion at any stage is straight killing.

 

[Aibrean]

Then explain to me why a woman who is pregnant, if she is killed, it's constituted as a double homicide?

If you believe the baby receives a soul at birth, then you are stopping the soul from entering by abortion. To me, that is just as bad as hindering the work of God.

Imagine all the cures to diseases, all the technical advances that could have occurred had all those babies had lived.

 

[elephunky]

While in teh womb its still in teh creation process, its not a full human til just before it comes out.

 

[-~Truth_N_Trust~-]

Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood..."

at around 5 weeks gestation (before many women even know they are pregnant) the heart forms it's 4 chambers and starts beating... Abortion is permanantly stopping a beating heart.

Congrats to your friend Texastig! It truly is amazing to see your baby like that!

 

[Xylofone]

So the rights of an unborn, incomplete child trumps that of woman who may suffer physical, emotional, and psychological trauma as a result of carrying a pregnancy to term?

 

[StTherese]

So the rights of an unborn, incomplete child trumps that of woman who may suffer physical, emotional, and psychological trauma as a result of carrying a pregnancy to term?

How do you know the unborn child doesn't suffer physical pain with an abortion...and what about the emotional and psychological pain/trauma a woman experiences as a result of having ended the life of their own child?

 

[elephunky]

Think of it this way - should someone who will be killed by birth of the child continue to carry it on through regardless? Just because of your opinion?