this forum disturbs me...

[knownbeforetime]

this forum seems to consists of only two or three people posting nine different threads a day on the same subject. It's either "MAD is wrong", "Paul had a new gospel", or "Replacement theology is teh evol"

While I hold beliefs that many tell me are dispensationalist... Well, you people are just scary...

Cheers,
Your fellow Calvinist Dispensationalist Charismatic

 

[BereanTodd]

I don't know why. There just aren't many people at this site who want to discuss/debate issues of dispensationalism ... which is no real surprise because the term itself is curious at best to so many, even when they hold to such views.

As to your comment on the content of the threads:

1. MAD doctrine is wrong and terrible and leads to all sorts of poor and/or false teaching and ...

2. Replacement theology is wrong and makes God to be a liar.

If you have questions or want discussions on other topics dealing with dispensationalism though start a thread, contribute and we'll pipe in

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I don't know why. There just aren't many people at this site who want to discuss/debate issues of dispensationalism ... which is no real surprise because the term itself is curious at best to so many, even when they hold to such views.

As to your comment on the content of the threads:

1. MAD doctrine is wrong and terrible and leads to all sorts of poor and/or false teaching and ...

2. Replacement theology is wrong and makes God to be a liar.

If you have questions or want discussions on other topics dealing with dispensationalism though start a thread, contribute and we'll pipe in

Yeah! -

I am a born again Believer who believes in a pre-trib "harvest" of sons of God from earth -and I got Scripture from the Old Testament on it, but I do not believe the subject is an issue of salvation.

I do believe MAD doctrine is bad, and I post Scripture against the subject because I do not believe it is healthy for the soul -of anyone.

 

[knownbeforetime]

I think replacement theology is evil and I don't know what MAD is (except that it stands for mid-acts dispensationalism)....

My signature tells pretty much what I believe.... Except for the Israel/Church distinction...

And I did start a different thread but only one guy was interested and he's got this nonsense about there being three different churches...

 

[knownbeforetime]

Ooh, just had a peak at the other thread... Awesome, I'm not alone!

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

this forum seems to consists of only two or three people posting nine different threads a day on the same subject. It's either "MAD is wrong", "Paul had a new gospel", or "Replacement theology is teh evol"

While I hold beliefs that many tell me are dispensationalist... Well, you people are just scary...

Cheers,
Your fellow Calvinist Dispensationalist Charismatic

You think these folks are scary?

It was my posts that really twisted their thinking...

no one has ever discovered if I'm on medication or in the nuthouse or both...

 

[Dispy]

Your fellow Calvinist Dispensationalist Charismatic

It appears to me that you have what I call "a scrambled egg doctrine."

Once an egg is scrambled, it cannot be unscrambled. However, the Pauline Epistles can unscramble "a scrambled egg doctrine."

 

[biblebeliever123]

2 Timothy 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

2 Timothy 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

2 Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
2 Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

There's nothing scary about Bible study. If a person will consider what Paul has to say...his message and ministry committed to him by the risen, ascended, glorified Lord...they will be given understanding.

The scary thing is NOT studying your Bible rightly divided.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2 Timothy 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

 

[knownbeforetime]

It appears to me that you have what I call "a scrambled egg doctrine."

Once an egg is scrambled, it cannot be unscrambled. However, the Pauline Epistles can unscramble "a scrambled egg doctrine."

Are you saying that Calvinism, Dispensationalism, and Charismaticism (not sure if that's a word) don't go together?

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

There's nothing scary about Bible study. If a person will consider what Paul has to say...his message and ministry committed to him by the risen, ascended, glorified Lord...they will be given understanding.

The scary thing is NOT studying your Bible rightly divided.

Actually the scary thing is when a group of people claim Jesus as their Savior but do not conform their behavior to be in line with Scripture. It doesn't matter how "rightly-divided" one thinks their theology is, its obviously "wrongly-applied" when the clear teachings of Scripture doesn't impact one's lifestyle. What a few members of a group do and say truly affects how others see the whole group.

Paul commanded us to treat everyone with respect:

2 Timothy 2:24-25 And the Lord's slave must not engage in heated disputes but be kind toward all, an apt teacher, patient, correcting opponents with gentleness.

Ephesians 4:1-2 therefore, the prisoner for the Lord, urge you to live worthily of the calling with which you have been called, with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love

LDG

 

[Dispy]

Are you saying that Calvinism, Dispensationalism, and Charismaticism (not sure if that's a word) don't go together?

It is just another "omlet" in a scrambled egg doctrine.

I was reared and educated as a Calvinist. There was no dispensationalism and charismaticism preached or taught at the time I rejected and left Calvinism. However, from members of my family that are still in the Calvinist movement, tell me it has changed a great deal since I left it. They say that I wouldn't even recognize it.

 

[GraceFan]

Are you saying that Calvinism, Dispensationalism, and Charismaticism (not sure if that's a word) don't go together?

They are indeed not the same nor do they go together. We are told to study the Bible dispensationally.

Charismania has to do with gifts that were set aside with the sign gift nation. We have the Holy Spirit resident within us and the gifts are not part of this dispensation. Israel was the signs and wonders program and God is no longer in that program today.

Calvinism is the tradition of man . Dispensational theology is biblical and is how God is working in this age of Grace.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

They are indeed not the same nor do they go together. We are told to study the Bible dispensationally.

Charismania has to do with gifts that were set aside with the sign gift nation. We have the Holy Spirit resident within us and the gifts are not part of this dispensation. Israel was the signs and wonders program and God is no longer in that program today.

Calvinism is the tradition of man . Dispensational theology is biblical and is how God is working in this age of Grace.

No, we are not told to study the Bible "dispensationally" -quite the opposite, in fact.

And the gifts Jesus gives men through the indwelling Spirit of Christ by His Holy Spirit are for the entire Church until the Church is removed from the earth in bodies of perfection "made sons of God in His bodily image" . His gifts to the Church have not been rescinded and are promised to as many as the LORD our God shall "call", and all who are the "bride" 'to be' are traveliing with the "Servant" who has laden we -the "bride", who are journeying to the groom we have agreed to take as "husband' with gifts. The "companion", whom the Father sent, the Holy Spirit, third Person in YHWH, Whom Abraham's servant represented when he was sent to fetch a bride for Isaac, has laden us with gifts while on our journey. When Rebekkah was chosen she was laden with gifts while on the journey, and that is our pattern, from the Tutor.

 

[LamorakDesGalis]

Are you saying that Calvinism, Dispensationalism, and Charismaticism (not sure if that's a word) don't go together?

Well, the history of dispensationalism had deep roots in Calvinism. Many leading dispensationalist writers are Calvinists, including John MacArthur, John Hannah, Dwight Pentecost, John Walvoord, and S. Lewis Johnson. So Calvinism and dispensationalism is not mutually exclusive.

It is well known that Pentecostals adopted dispensationalism early in their history. So dispensationalism and "charismaticism" aren't mutually exclusive either. We also have Wayne Grudem who in his Systematic Theology is a Calvinist who believes the Holy Spirit gifts are still in effect today. So Grudem is both a Calvinist and a mild charismatic. He is also a historic premillennialist.

So realy there is nothing mutually exclusive about these terms with one another. Calvinism focuses on soteriology while dispensationalism focuses on eschatology. Charismatics focus on the signs or manifestations of the Holy Spirit.


LDG

 

[knownbeforetime]

I have a class on Wayne Grudem and his book Bible Doctrine which is a condensed version of his Systematic Theology.

In another class, I learned that Grace (charis - influence on the human heart) and the Holy Spirit are almost synonymous... To me, that entirely excludes the idea that the gifts have ceased... You can see the word, charis, in use today in the word charisma....

 

[GraceFan]

The word grace and the dispensation of Grace are two different things. The Dispensation of Grace came with the saving and preaching of Paul. He had the words of Christ AFTER his earthly ministry, which is the manner in which God has communicated with us what He is doing in this age of Grace.

Before Paul, God dealt with the world thru the Nation of Israel and the law. There is a change that has taken place with the raising up of Paul as the apostle to we who are the Body today.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Well, the history of dispensationalism had deep roots in Calvinism. Many leading dispensationalist writers are Calvinists, including John MacArthur, John Hannah, Dwight Pentecost, John Walvoord, and S. Lewis Johnson. So Calvinism and dispensationalism is not mutually exclusive.

It is well known that Pentecostals adopted dispensationalism early in their history. So dispensationalism and "charismaticism" aren't mutually exclusive either. We also have Wayne Grudem who in his Systematic Theology is a Calvinist who believes the Holy Spirit gifts are still in effect today. So Grudem is both a Calvinist and a mild charismatic. He is also a historic premillennialist.

So realy there is nothing mutually exclusive about these terms with one another. Calvinism focuses on soteriology while dispensationalism focuses on eschatology. Charismatics focus on the signs or manifestations of the Holy Spirit.


LDG

-And there's Dr Martyn Lloyd-Jones; a reformed preacher of the past century whom I believe was the best preacher because of his fear of God and belief in the anointing to preach before he opened his mouth.
I am not reformed and not Calvinist, but God is no respecter of persons, when He picks a man to use he looks for a heart that is willing, and Dr Jones was that man and was a holy man of God whom I fully expect to meet in heaven.
-but do not ask me what I think about Calvin, for then I would get banned from the board if I responded.

 

[TheScottsMen]

Well, the history of dispensationalism had deep roots in Calvinism. Many leading dispensationalist writers are Calvinists, including John MacArthur, John Hannah, Dwight Pentecost, John Walvoord, and S. Lewis Johnson. So Calvinism and dispensationalism is not mutually exclusive.


LDG

Always great stuff. Spoken like like a true educator

 

[Tychicum]

Well, the history of dispensationalism had deep roots in Calvinism. Many leading dispensationalist writers are Calvinists, including John MacArthur, John Hannah, Dwight Pentecost, John Walvoord, and S. Lewis Johnson. So Calvinism and dispensationalism is not mutually exclusive.

It is well known that Pentecostals adopted dispensationalism early in their history. So dispensationalism and "charismaticism" aren't mutually exclusive either. We also have Wayne Grudem who in his Systematic Theology is a Calvinist who believes the Holy Spirit gifts are still in effect today. So Grudem is both a Calvinist and a mild charismatic. He is also a historic premillennialist.

So realy there is nothing mutually exclusive about these terms with one another. Calvinism focuses on soteriology while dispensationalism focuses on eschatology. Charismatics focus on the signs or manifestations of the Holy Spirit.


LDG

Well stated.

At times it seems one of the greatest confirmations as to the truth found in a doctrine is the opposition is the opposition it creates (sadly).

The more studied a person is the more likely they have gravitated to Calvinism and to some form or other of Dispensationalism. It often goes quite counter to "feelings" ... as truth often does.

I see a lot of hate thrown towards strident Calvinists ... and to Dispensationalists.

No skin off their nose of course ... but sometimes I wonder about the damage the haters do to themselves and others ... and if they realize it or not ...

The reason there isn't much for dispensational discussion here is that the dispensationalists aren't out to "convert" anyone ... they could care less about another's growth ... so why would they come here where they are subjected to hate ... ?

The inane milk served up in here is not in any way edifying.

I pop in infrequently ... mostly to pick up PM messages. But you know ... it is like missing a soap opera for a couple weeks ... no difference.



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[Adoniram]

I am familiar with the basics of dispensation theology, and tend to support it myself. But what is MAD?